Anyone know latin?

[Crothian]

If you do, I could use some fast translations.

Vicious Mercy

Quick Draw

Thanks.

[dvvega]

Been ages since I did latin but I'll give it a go ... my endings and tense may be off. Since latin has many different words for the same meaning, I went with those closest to the spirit of the phrase.

Vicious Mercy
clementia vitiosis

Quick Draw
extraho alacritas

[Jack Daniel]

I'd go with clementia vitiosa and stringere celer (since [de]stringere refers more specifically to drawing a sword).

[Ao the Overkitty]

clementia vitiosa sounds right.

Quick draw is trickier. Anything I come up with doesn't quite bring across the meaning you're looking for.

[dvvega]

I chose extraho because it means "to draw forth" which I thought was very appropriate in Quick Draw.

stringere means to draw tight and referred to hardships or affliction, and our term Stress comes from it.

But of course my dictionaries may be lacking.

[Crothian]

Thanks guys!!

[Algolei]

Hey cool, I need a translation from (I think) latin to (I'd prefer) english:

(wheat) Respondet de .iiij. quarteriis dimido .j. pek' minus se quarto It answers for 4½qtrs 1 peck less than fourfold -- the seed-yield ratio just fell short of 1:4 by 4½qtrs 1p.
(Rye) Respondet de dimidio bussello plus se dimidio
(Barley) Respondet de .v. quarteriis dimidio minus se tercio
(Oats) Respondet de .iiij. bussellis minus semine
(Peas) Respondet de .j. bussello plus se quarto
(Vetches) Respondet de .j. bussello dimidio minus se altero et dimidio

It's a medieval crop yield...thingy. Been wanting to get it translated for over a week now, but I keep forgetting about it.

[tarchon]

Originally Posted by Algolei

Hey cool, I need a translation from (I think) latin to (I'd prefer) english:

(wheat) Respondet de .iiij. quarteriis dimido .j. pek' minus se quarto

Actually, I was thinking about this some more, and I believe quarterius is probably a "quarter" (8 bushels) rather than a "quart."

Yields from 4 1/2 quarters 1 peck less a fourth of itself, i.e. 4 1/2 qtrs. gives 3/4 peck. If it really is a quarter and the same size as a modern quarter of grain, sounds like a pretty sad yield.

Respondet de .iiij. bussellis minus semine (yields from 4 bushels less than seed - a net loss on oats) implies that this reckoning has already taken out the seed.

[tarchon]

Originally Posted by Algolei

(wheat) Respondet de .iiij. quarteriis dimido .j. pek' minus se quarto It answers for 4½qtrs 1 peck less than fourfold -- the seed-yield ratio just fell short of 1:4 by 4½qtrs 1p.
(Rye) Respondet de dimidio bussello plus se dimidio
(Barley) Respondet de .v. quarteriis dimidio minus se tercio
(Oats) Respondet de .iiij. bussellis minus semine
(Peas) Respondet de .j. bussello plus se quarto
(Vetches) Respondet de .j. bussello dimidio minus se altero et dimidio

Since I'm home now and nobody else filled in the blanks:

Wheat - yields from 4 1/2 quarters 1 peck less than a fourth of itself (1 qtr?)
Rye - yields from a half bushel more than half itself
Barley - yields from 5 1/2 quarters less than a third of itself
Oats - yields from 4 bushels less than seed
Peas - yields from 1 bushel more than a fourth itself
Vetches (mmm, vetch) - yields from 1 1/2 bushel less than another of itself and a half

These do sound like low yields, but I can't think of any way for "se quarto" to mean "fourfold". You would have to say "quadruplo" or at least "quatuor." Given that the oats in this set of figures failed miserably though, it wouldn't be too surprising if the other crops didn't do so well. The other possibility is that the reeve didn't know Latin well enough to know that ordinals usually indicate fractional parts.

[Algolei]

First:
Thanks!

Second:
Yay! I win the bet!

(I bet myself $5 I'd be even more confused after getting it translated.)



I'm gonna hafta sit down and think about this now for a bit....

[Algolei]

Okay, I just Googled the info to find the source again, and here's what I got: http://paleo.anglo-norman.org/account2.html

And here's the paragraph immediately preceding the information I posted above for translation:

Some examples of targets

The responsio system involved the pre-setting of targets for yields. These targets might be complex or simply based on expected returns in an average year, such as threefold yield for grain (1:3 seed-yield ratio). More complex targets would have different expectations for each type of grain as illustrated by the precepts of the anonymous author of the Hosebondrie. On the Crowland Abbey estates, the auditors went further and required a yield per acre target for grain. These calculations could only have been achieved by the auditors by reference back to the account of the previous year to determine the amount of seed used in sowing or the amount of demesne sown.

So you see, this clearly means that...uh....

[Faerl'Elghinn]

Domine, non sum dignus ut intres sub tectum meum, sed tantum dic verbo et sanabitur anima mea...

[Faerl'Elghinn]

Pater Noster, Qui es in caelis
Sanctificaetur nomen tuum
Adveniat regnum tuum
Fiat voluntas tua
Sicut in caelo et in terra
Panum Nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie...

[diaglo]

Originally Posted by Crothian

Anyone know latin?

obviously no one at WotC does. Libris Mortis: The Book of the Undead

[Algolei]

Originally Posted by tarchon

...I can't think of any way for "se quarto" to mean "fourfold".

I came up with this while I was asleep (I do some of my best thinkin' while unconscious): Accepting "se quarto" to mean one fourth, perhaps the reeve intended to mean 1:4 rather than 1/4. Then it could indeed be translated as "fourfold."

Bit wonky, but then, "It was the olden days!"