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Erm, this is probably not nearly as well-written as your most excellantly evil template Sepulchrave , but recently I created an epic template for evil outsiders that also featured dimension-warping type abilities, if you want to take a look, here's a link:
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Is there a RL mythic tradition that makes Soneillon a succubus and demonic Queen of Harlots?
I ask because my old DM from Penn State and I have used her as such (we jointly developed our Abyssal rulers, and he created her), but in Gustav Davidson's _Dictionary of Angels_, Sonneillon (Sonnillon) is
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an angel, now fallen, once of the order of thrones. He is cited as one of 3 "devils" that possessed the body of the notorious 16th-century nun, Sister Louise Capeau (or Capelle).
Gygax's later New Infinities Gord novels don't include references to Soneillon (though info from the NIPI Gord books often found its way into the various D&D demons published during the 1980s and early 1990s). Soneillon is listed in the 1e MM2 on page 35 among the "Rulers of the Abyss," where she's designated as a female and lady of a layer rather than a full princess.
So, my question is, does anyone else know of a history that links Soneillon with succubi and harlots?
Thanks
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she has an entry in the glossary as a succubus who once had a thing with graz'zt and now they're fighting over a jungle part of the abyss...
If you read part of the storyhour where Shomei describes the different worlds, she mentions said succubus...
__________________ From 'The Third IR':
Creamsteak - What do you think of Sollir?
Darkness - My guess is that he's an opportunistic munchkin If that's good or bad is an entirely different question, of course...
From 'A Game of Opposites':
Janos - The above challenge is open to everyone except Sollir, because I know he could kill a 20th level Wizard with a 1st level commoner ... somehow.
Originally posted by Greybar Nooo. My wife apparently threw away the old word-of-day. Ah well, should have snagged it.
Ontic Flux - so if such a being is flickering in and out of existence, this might be fun to consider when divination is used. If you attempt to scry for Soneillion, do you need to check to see whether she exists at the moment the spell takes effect?
John
If you looked up at the link I just masterfully hidden in the "chthonic" word just above (and there again), you would had gotten this:
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Word of the Day for Thursday May 27, 1999 chthonic (THONE-ik), adjective:
dwelling in or under the earth; also, pertaining to the underworld
"Driven by dæmonic, chthonic Powers." --T.S. Eliot
"The chthonic divinity was essentially a god of the regions under the earth; at first of the dark home of the seed, later on of the still darker home of the dead." --C. F. Keary
"The chthonic imagery of Norine's apartment, which..was black as a coalhole and heated by the furnace of the hostess' unslaked desires." --M. McCarthy
"Two great and contrasted forms of ritual: the Olympian and the Chthonic, the one a ritual of cheerful character, the other a ritual of gloom, and fostering superstition."
Chthonic comes from khthón, the Greek word for earth.
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So, my question is, does anyone else know of a history that links Soneillon with succubi and harlots?
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Any thoughts on this?
As far as I know the 'RL' Soneillon is linked with hatred (as one of the seven deadly sins) and is a male demon - it was only in the 1e MMII that she was listed as female.
Interesting that you also had her pegged as a kind of uber-succubus, though - I'd had the same role assigned to her in a campaign I was running 12 years ago, or so. I wonder if she was mentioned in an old Dragon mag or something?
As far as I know the 'RL' Soneillon is linked with hatred (as one of the seven deadly sins) and is a male demon - it was only in the 1e MMII that she was listed as female.
Not that I'm an expert on the subject, but I think that's the way he's usually portrayed in medieval and renaissance literature. Sonneillon (double "n") was originally one of the Thrones in heaven before he fell with Satan. He retained a position in the Infernal Hierarchy, and was usually connected with engendering hatred in people, often through possession (his name comes up in the famous possession of a nun called Louise Capeau). As for Grodog's question, I can't think of a connection with succubi or harlots.
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Bing assoicated with the nun possession would do well to connect him with harlets and whores; a nun being the exact opposite in most minds--regardless of whether or not it's true.
Originally posted by Lela Bing assoicated with the nun possession would do well to connect him with harlets and whores; a nun being the exact opposite in most minds--regardless of whether or not it's true.
That's possible. The possession story, involving the nun Louise Capeau and a novice called Madeleine de Demandolx, was especially sensationalist because it involved all kinds of claims about the sexual escapades of a priest called Louis Gaufridi (with Madeleine and a large number of other people). One of the prevailing ideas in it was that the priest used demons to possess women and seduce them. So the story does lend itself quite easily to the subject.
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Thanks for all the comments folks. I had thought that maybe the association between Sonneillon and the nuns might point toward sexual depravity/succubi, but I haven't found any good accounts of the possession, hence my query.
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Interesting that you also had her pegged as a kind of uber-succubus, though - I'd had the same role assigned to her in a campaign I was running 12 years ago, or so.
My friend Allen Ruch (1e DM at PSU) created her as the Demon Queen of Succubi, sometime before c. 1987. I adopted her into my game when we merged our demonic pantheons sometime in the early 1990s (though we were no longer gaming together by then, as I'd moved to Lawrence, Kansas, for grad school).
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I wonder if she was mentioned in an old Dragon mag or something?
According to an index of proper names in 1e materials created by a very-detailed-oriented friend of mine (Jason Zavoda, another huge Greyhawk fan), Soneillon only appears in the the MM2 listing (not in Dragon, DMG, EGG novels, etc.).
I think we can attribute this to some form of demonic synchronicity, Sep.
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Originally posted by Sepulchrave II CHTHONIC DEMONS
‘Chthonic’ is a template that can be added to any demon of at least 6 Hit Dice and 16 charisma.
[...] Hit Dice: A chthonic demon always has maximum hit points per die
[...] Challenge Rating:12 to 20 HD, as base demon +15; 21+ HD, as base demon +12.
What about demons with 6-11 HD ? Are they allowed and forgotten about in the CR entry, or is it an inconsistency raised from a draft version ?
As you approached epic levels you mentioned that that epic spells were being made that would allow a caster to assume the pseudonatuaral and epic pseudonatural forms. Did you or Dan ever complete these?
I was also curious as to the epic progressions that the character have and will use.
Thanks
_KCM
Hmm. Did he ever see the portrait we commissioned for him? He must not have, or simple gratitude and courtesy would have made him more forthcoming to Mostin's fans.
, but recently I created an epic template for evil outsiders that also featured dimension-warping type abilities, if you want to take a look, here's a link:
If that's good or bad is an entirely different question, of course... 
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