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Old 17th April 2008, 08:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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New GSL Announcement

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x...news/20080417a

Doesn't really say much I don't think - anyone else heard anything?
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Old 17th April 2008, 08:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Actually, that is big news, because it confirms the GSL is still coming, that's it's royalty-free, but that it will be restrictive like the d20 STL.

Considering that there was concern the 3rd party support was going to be scrapped entirely or severely toned-down to a invite-only list, that let's me know I can get back to work on ideas for 4E psionics material
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That's good news!

I hope that at least some of the better established publishers get the opportunity to release at Gencon, if only on a special license. I think seeing third party support at Gencon will help make the launch of 4e more successful.
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That's good news!

I hope that at least some of the better established publishers get the opportunity to release at Gencon, if only on a special license. I think seeing third party support at Gencon will help make the launch of 4e more successful.
" The effective start date for sales of D&D 4E GSL publications will be October 1, 2008."

If they push GenCon to Oct 1...
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Old 17th April 2008, 09:37 PM   #6 (permalink)
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http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x...news/20080417a

Doesn't really say much I don't think - anyone else heard anything?
WotC are relasing more info tomorrow. There is something important in there.
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And I wonder if this fantasy and non-fantasy thing means that 3rd parties with this license for now can only create adventures.
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" The effective start date for sales of D&D 4E GSL publications will be October 1, 2008."

If they push GenCon to Oct 1...
Actually, that's what I was responding to. I was hoping that the 10/1 date was for the wide release, and they'd allow a few publishers from their early call list to get stuff out at Gencon.
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Doesn't really say much I don't think - anyone else heard anything?
Actually, it speaks volumes.

It tells us, at a minimum:

Wizards still has a commitment to open gaming.

The talk of a GSL was genuine, not an attempt to "embrace, extend and exterminate".

There are no cease and desist letters heading out to fan sites after 4e's launch.
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Actually, that's what I was responding to. I was hoping that the 10/1 date was for the wide release, and they'd allow a few publishers from their early call list to get stuff out at Gencon.
The October 1st date applies to all 3PPs publishing under the D&D 4E GSL, including those that are getting early access.

The date is completely unrelated to GenCon.
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Actually, it speaks volumes.

It tells us, at a minimum:

Wizards still has a commitment to open gaming.
yup!

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The talk of a GSL was genuine, not an attempt to "embrace, extend and exterminate".
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Linae,

Let me say THANK YOU to you both personally and publically.

I know this was hard work and I am so glad you and Scott and all the folks at Wizards were able to make this happen. Thank you so much. Nice work!

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It's amazing how many gamers around here were (once again) so WRONG about WotC/Hasbro's motivations and reasons for the delay. :\
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It's amazing how many gamers around here were (once again) so WRONG about WotC/Hasbro's motivations and reasons for the delay. :\
And how few of them will step up and admit to it.
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And how few of them will step up and admit to it.
I've often been accused of refreshing someone's memory quicker than I do their cocktail...

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The GSL and the OGL are mutually exclusive.

I get that you can't use both in the same book.

However, does anyone know if that also means you can't produce the same product in different versions - one under the GSL and one under the OGL?
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The GSL and the OGL are mutually exclusive.

I get that you can't use both in the same book.

However, does anyone know if that also means you can't produce the same product in different versions - one under the GSL and one under the OGL?
It does mean that you can not produce the same product in different versions.

I might end up saying this a lot over the next few days/weeks/months: We are absolutely confident in 4E - to the point that we are only producing 4e products ourselves from here on out.
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And how few of them will step up and admit to it.
Seriously, how many people were suggesting malice in the first place?

I imagine that anyone who has ever worked at a job in which there is legal wrangling or management shifts in direction understand how projects can get delayed.
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Seriously, how many people were suggesting malice in the first place?

I imagine that anyone who has ever worked at a job in which there is legal wrangling or management shifts in direction understand how projects can get delayed.
Those with the conspiracy theories.

Unfortunately, not everyone is as understanding.
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On the other hand, perhaps I expected too much WRT sunsetting of the d20 STL...
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