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17th April 2008, 08:50 PM
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| | All psionics all the time
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| Actually, that is big news, because it confirms the GSL is still coming, that's it's royalty-free, but that it will be restrictive like the d20 STL.
Considering that there was concern the 3rd party support was going to be scrapped entirely or severely toned-down to a invite-only list, that let's me know I can get back to work on ideas for 4E psionics material  | 
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17th April 2008, 08:56 PM
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| That's good news!
I hope that at least some of the better established publishers get the opportunity to release at Gencon, if only on a special license. I think seeing third party support at Gencon will help make the launch of 4e more successful. | |
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17th April 2008, 09:25 PM
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| *Applause*
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17th April 2008, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 2WS-Steve That's good news!
I hope that at least some of the better established publishers get the opportunity to release at Gencon, if only on a special license. I think seeing third party support at Gencon will help make the launch of 4e more successful. | " The effective start date for sales of D&D 4E GSL publications will be October 1, 2008."
If they push GenCon to Oct 1...
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17th April 2008, 09:37 PM
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| | Admiral o' th' High Seas
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Originally Posted by Blacksway | WotC are relasing more info tomorrow. There is something important in there. | 
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17th April 2008, 09:49 PM
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| And I wonder if this fantasy and non-fantasy thing means that 3rd parties with this license for now can only create adventures. | |
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17th April 2008, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Orcus " The effective start date for sales of D&D 4E GSL publications will be October 1, 2008."
If they push GenCon to Oct 1... | Actually, that's what I was responding to. I was hoping that the 10/1 date was for the wide release, and they'd allow a few publishers from their early call list to get stuff out at Gencon. | |
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18th April 2008, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Blacksway Doesn't really say much I don't think - anyone else heard anything? | Actually, it speaks volumes.
It tells us, at a minimum:
Wizards still has a commitment to open gaming.
The talk of a GSL was genuine, not an attempt to "embrace, extend and exterminate".
There are no cease and desist letters heading out to fan sites after 4e's launch. | |
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18th April 2008, 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 2WS-Steve Actually, that's what I was responding to. I was hoping that the 10/1 date was for the wide release, and they'd allow a few publishers from their early call list to get stuff out at Gencon. | The October 1st date applies to all 3PPs publishing under the D&D 4E GSL, including those that are getting early access.
The date is completely unrelated to GenCon.
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18th April 2008, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Vigilance Actually, it speaks volumes.
It tells us, at a minimum:
Wizards still has a commitment to open gaming. | yup! Quote: |
The talk of a GSL was genuine, not an attempt to "embrace, extend and exterminate".
| yup!
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18th April 2008, 01:48 AM
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| Linae,
Let me say THANK YOU to you both personally and publically.
I know this was hard work and I am so glad you and Scott and all the folks at Wizards were able to make this happen. Thank you so much. Nice work!
Clark
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18th April 2008, 05:49 AM
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| It's amazing how many gamers around here were (once again) so WRONG about WotC/Hasbro's motivations and reasons for the delay. :\ | |
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18th April 2008, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jaerdaph It's amazing how many gamers around here were (once again) so WRONG about WotC/Hasbro's motivations and reasons for the delay. :\ | And how few of them will step up and admit to it. | |
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18th April 2008, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Mouseferatu And how few of them will step up and admit to it. | I've often been accused of refreshing someone's memory quicker than I do their cocktail...  | |
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18th April 2008, 11:04 AM
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| The GSL and the OGL are mutually exclusive.
I get that you can't use both in the same book.
However, does anyone know if that also means you can't produce the same product in different versions - one under the GSL and one under the OGL?
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18th April 2008, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by amethal The GSL and the OGL are mutually exclusive.
I get that you can't use both in the same book.
However, does anyone know if that also means you can't produce the same product in different versions - one under the GSL and one under the OGL? | It does mean that you can not produce the same product in different versions.
I might end up saying this a lot over the next few days/weeks/months: We are absolutely confident in 4E - to the point that we are only producing 4e products ourselves from here on out.
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18th April 2008, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mouseferatu And how few of them will step up and admit to it. | Seriously, how many people were suggesting malice in the first place?
I imagine that anyone who has ever worked at a job in which there is legal wrangling or management shifts in direction understand how projects can get delayed.
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18th April 2008, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Psion Seriously, how many people were suggesting malice in the first place?
I imagine that anyone who has ever worked at a job in which there is legal wrangling or management shifts in direction understand how projects can get delayed. | Those with the conspiracy theories.
Unfortunately, not everyone is as understanding. | |
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18th April 2008, 02:37 PM
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| | Power Behind the Throne
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| On the other hand, perhaps I expected too much WRT sunsetting of the d20 STL...
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