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Old 28th December 2008, 09:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Well, there are very few outside of the MM, epic handbook, and expanded psionics handbook that are OGC. If you mean the "core" monsters, just compare the SRD to the MM; all the SRD ones are open.
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Well, there are very few outside of the MM, epic handbook, and expanded psionics handbook that are OGC. If you mean the "core" monsters, just compare the SRD to the MM; all the SRD ones are open.
Well, I did mean the MM, Epic Handbook and Expanded Psionics Handbook. I was wondering if somebody had already done the comparison... If not, I will indeed have to do it myself.

Also, how about the psionic dragons/gem dragons. They are not in the Expanded Psionics Handbook, but are they perhaps in one version of the SRD or another?
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Sadly, I can tell you that the gem dragons are not in the SRD.
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Add mind flayers/illithids and carrion crawlers to the list.

EDIT: Found the following list on Paizo's messageboard posted by James Jacobs, Pathfinder editor-in-chief (so presumably he knows whereof he speaks):

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Beholder (and gauth)
Carrion Crawler
Displacer Beast
Umber Hulk
Githyanki
Githzerai
Slaad (all types)
Mind Flayer
Kuo-Toa
Yuan-ti (all types)

I feel like I forgot one from that list...
FURTHER EDIT: As far as "D&D" monsters, which I take to mean "published by WOTC" monsters, if it isn't in the Monster Manual or Expanded Psionics Handbook [EDITł or Epic Level Handbook] and isn't from the OGC portion of Monster Manual II, it most likely isn't OGC. If it is not published by WOTC, check the Open Content Declaration of the book you're using.

FURTHER FURTHER EDIT: The terms "tanar'ri," "baatezu," and "illithid" are also not OGC.
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If you are interested in having OGL monsters similar to those not included in the 3.5 SRD, then I reccommend you buy Lion's Den Press: The Iconic Bestiary -- Classics of Fantasy. It's currently $5.95, but you'd better hurry up and purchase it if you want it, because it has the D20 logo on it, rpgnow can't legally sell it as of Jan. 1 2009.
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why wouldn't they remove the d20 logo and licnese from the PDF if they want to continue sales?
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Something *else* I think I implied but forgot to explicitly mention is that that list only covers the 3.5 Monster Manual. I hope that's what you were asking for in the first place.

My favorite online SRD (good for many things other than double-checking MM/XPsiH/ELH monster availability) is this one: http://dndsrd.net/ but I also quite like this one: http://www.d20srd.org/
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why wouldn't they remove the d20 logo and licnese from the PDF if they want to continue sales?
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Some publishers just don't want to take the effort to do that.

Some do; Mongoose has already stripped the D20 logo from the Quintessesntial PDF series.
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Some didn't want to bother. Some material probably have reference or citations to WotC's copyrighted material that the d20 license would allow. Removing the citations within the Covered Product would also be a hassle.
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