revised GSL posted on WOTC forums

[jephlewis]

Originally Posted by CapnZapp

I am certainly no expert at shotguns, but I would expect that the times where you fire it at something that is already food are rare indeed.

See? I didn't even know that. The shotgun thing is a complete mystery to me, much like cars or computers to non-car or non-computer people. I know they're loud, and you don't want one fired on you or things you like [for example, cheeseburgers], but that's about it.

Scott, there's this one place that sells one pound cheeseburgers that aren't fried [they put them in ovens or something], and after you eat it, you feel so full and sleepy that you want to take a nap, kinda like after thanksgiving; it's so wonderful!
What's great is you don't have to wake up early and shoot it with this 'shotgun' contraption. It works out great.

[CapnZapp]

Originally Posted by Orcus

Where are all the naysayers? I think its time for them to man up and come eat some crow.

Sorry, but I don't view it as a great success when a multi-million dollar company delays its 3PP license for over a year, including firing half the task force set aside for the job while still pretending it had top priority.

Yes, Wizards have narrowly avoided a total let-down, but lets not forget that the bungled process has all by itself very probably lost us, the customers, some potential licensees.

[phloog]

I won't remain as negative as some folks (who may be justified in feeling as they do)...but I'm not sure I was ever an official "naysayer" (though I had my doubts)...I was more of a man-did-you-guys-botch-this-out-the-gate and wow-this-is-taking-a-long-time sayer....both of these for me remain true statements.

Having said that, it's good to see a revision out, but I've not read it enough to know if it has any impact on me. I'm thinking it probably will not help, because my intent was to be able to publish products that spanned versions, and I'd imagine that's still a no-no...I'll check.

So kudos for getting whatever it is out. It won't cause me to buy anything 4E, but it might cause me to buy Necromancer's alternate (fixed) stuff (unless the GSL still requires you to base all on ownership of the 4e PHB or something).

[smetzger]

Well section 5.4 should be easy to abide by

My first reading doesn't turn up anything about not using the OGL anymore.
But you certainly couldn't mix OGL and GSL in a single product.

It seems that the license allows one to use the official logo and bunch of terms. The definitions of the terms are not in the SRD, so I presume you cannot define them in your product.

Still subject to the whim of WOTC changing the license and without the OGL to fall back on this becomes a real risk especially for print publishers.

I think WOTC really dropped the ball on the delay of the license. This is one thing that really attracted me to 3.0.
It will be interesting to see where we are in 5 yrs. Will 3.x be essentially dead, like 2e was?
I strongly suspect that 3.X will live on for quite some time.

I expect I will DM and play 3.5 for some time to come. Currently I am willing to play 4.0, but I don't have the time and the rules don't excite me enough to DM it. For me 4.0 will just be another 'flavor' of D&D kind of how Arcana Evolved is; not a replacement for 3.5 but something I am willing to play.

[carmachu]

Originally Posted by Orcus
Where are all the naysayers? I think its time for them to man up and come eat some crow.

Originally Posted by CapnZapp

Sorry, but I don't view it as a great success when a multi-million dollar company delays its 3PP license for over a year, including firing half the task force set aside for the job while still pretending it had top priority.

Yes, Wizards have narrowly avoided a total let-down, but lets not forget that the bungled process has all by itself very probably lost us, the customers, some potential licensees.

Honestly Clark? That above this pretty much sums it up.

Too little, too late. It'll be a year since release of 4e by the time you or someone else gets a product out the door.

You want to crow like its winning the superbowl? Feel free. From a fans viewpoint, or at least this one, its a "meh".

I was interested a year ago when the GSL was to be released. Now I dont really care much anymore and have moved on. I'll see what you put on but really my interest has been pretty killed with all the shinnagans that WOtc has danced with, like the poster above mentions.

[Starglim]

Originally Posted by smetzger

Well section 5.4 should be easy to abide by

My first reading doesn't turn up anything about not using the OGL anymore.
But you certainly couldn't mix OGL and GSL in a single product.

I don't see why not. The GSL has always contemplated using parts of the content subject to other licences and nothing would prevent that other licence being with WotC. In fact section 9.1 explicitly seems to cover this scenario.

One obvious pitfall to remember is that the GSL applies to the whole product, so you still couldn't redefine a term listed in the SRD, describe a process for creating or levelling a character, and so on, even if your definition happens to be in the OGC portion of your text and refers to a different ruleset.

[smetzger]

Yeah, looking at it again. You definantly can mix OGL and GSL. You would just need to make extra sure that the additional restrictions on WOTC material are adhered to.

I am not seeing the benefit to using the GSL over just using 'fair use'.

With OGL/D20 I could just copy & paste stuff all day from the SRD.
Now if I am making an adventure I cannot put everything at the DMs fingertips.