Legendary Animals+Shifter

DarkJester · Apr 20, 2002

Is it just me or is a druid 5/shifter 3 turning into a legendary tiger just a tad bit to powerful?

The legendary animals are buff....shifter can turn into all but shark and elephant by level 8.

Kwalish Kid · Apr 20, 2002

Ummm.... get off the sauce

A druid 5/shifter 3 had 8 hit dice, and the lowest hit dice legendary animal has 12 HD. A shifter cannot transform into a form that normally has more HD than she does. By the time a shifter has enough HD to transform into the big legendary animals, she will have access to better forms, like the dragon forms and aberration forms that provide more mobility and AC.

DarkJester · Apr 20, 2002

New I was overlooking something,...went back and reread wild shape description. "...as polymorph self...."

Thanks.

Kwalish Kid · Apr 20, 2002

It's right in the description of the Shifter, too.

By the way, I would let a shifter exceed the 15HD limit that has been placed on poly other in Tome and Blood. Not strictly by the book, but in the spirit of the class, I think.

Veldrane · Apr 20, 2002

Well, it's useless to go on talkin' about the Shifter if you forget that Wildshape is no longer subject to Poly Self rules... ...read the new description in MotW first...

Kae'Yoss · Apr 20, 2002

What, exactly, did the errata of the Polymorph spells and Wildshape change?

Moon_Goddess · Apr 21, 2002

Polymorph hasn't changed (again, most recent version is in T&B I think) But Wildshape has been erratta, it has nothing, to do with Polymorph in any way, Completely different.

Kae'Yoss · Apr 22, 2002

But Polymorph has changed in T&B, ain't it? What's changed there?

HeavyG · Apr 22, 2002

It's not so much that it has changed. More like it's been rewritten from scratch.

This is the new Polymorph Other :

http://www.d20reviews.com/Eric/polymorphother.jpg

The new Polymorph Self is the same, IIRC, except you can only cast it on yourself and the duration isn't permanent.

Azger · Apr 25, 2002

DarkJester said:
Is it just me or is a druid 5/shifter 3 turning into a legendary tiger just a tad bit to powerful?

The legendary animals are buff....shifter can turn into all but shark and elephant by level 8.

A druid 5/shifter 3 cannot turn into a legendary animal...

A druid can only turn into a dire animal, unless the class specifically says Legendary then you cannot turn into one. That's why a Druid 5/Shifter 3 can't turn into a Dire animal until he achieves level 12 druid...

The shifter does not give you the ability to turn into a Legendary animal neither does the druid. Only the animal lord can turn into legendary.