(Proposal) Gambling
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azmodean
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I like the concept SlagMortar presents a lot.
A minor quibble, wouldn't it be easier for the one trying to cheat to take the desired modifier as a penalty instead of the other person taking it as a bonus?
Perhaps allow the cheat attempt to be opposed by the sense motive or profession(gambler), whichever is better? I'd also say no taking 10 on a sleight-of-hand attempt (unless you have that special rogue ability of course
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A minor quibble, wouldn't it be easier for the one trying to cheat to take the desired modifier as a penalty instead of the other person taking it as a bonus?
Perhaps allow the cheat attempt to be opposed by the sense motive or profession(gambler), whichever is better? I'd also say no taking 10 on a sleight-of-hand attempt (unless you have that special rogue ability of course
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Velmont
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Gambling:
Up to now, I prefer the rules suggested by KB, as only Profession(Gambler) gain synergy bonus from the other two.
Cheating:
I think too that the take 10 shouldn't be allowed (except to Rogue who have the Special Ability, or maybe a Gambler prestige class????).
For to oppose the Sleight-of-Hand, both Sense Motive and Profession(Gambler)can be use, it would even put more value on the Profession skill.
And should we go with SlagMortar suggestion?
Synergy:
As told by KB, I would apply synergy bonus to Profession(Gambler) if you have 5 or more rank in Bluff or Sense Motive. These bonus can be used for bluffing games, but to play and to detect cheating. Those bonus doesn't apply to number games.
Up to now, I prefer the rules suggested by KB, as only Profession(Gambler) gain synergy bonus from the other two.
Cheating:
I think too that the take 10 shouldn't be allowed (except to Rogue who have the Special Ability, or maybe a Gambler prestige class????).
For to oppose the Sleight-of-Hand, both Sense Motive and Profession(Gambler)can be use, it would even put more value on the Profession skill.
And should we go with SlagMortar suggestion?
Synergy:
As told by KB, I would apply synergy bonus to Profession(Gambler) if you have 5 or more rank in Bluff or Sense Motive. These bonus can be used for bluffing games, but to play and to detect cheating. Those bonus doesn't apply to number games.
azmodean
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I don't really see a problem with putting more emphasis on profession(gambler), as this is all you can really do with it.
And as far as cheating on a number game, if you are talking about dice, you can definitely cheat at that.
When you play a game, you might want to specify wether or not bluffing would help. So you might say, "The game is texas hold-em (bluff game)" to designate that people should use the bluff and sense motive synergy checks. Otherwise you might say, "the game is chouhan (non-bluff game)" to let people know not to use their synergies. (of course, now that I think of it, you could play chouhan on the board, the dealer rolls 2d6, all of the players call out chou (even) or han(odd), and the house pays out to whoever guessed correctly, since we have secure rolling, all of the players could call out chou or han first, then the dealer could roll.)
And as far as cheating on a number game, if you are talking about dice, you can definitely cheat at that.
When you play a game, you might want to specify wether or not bluffing would help. So you might say, "The game is texas hold-em (bluff game)" to designate that people should use the bluff and sense motive synergy checks. Otherwise you might say, "the game is chouhan (non-bluff game)" to let people know not to use their synergies. (of course, now that I think of it, you could play chouhan on the board, the dealer rolls 2d6, all of the players call out chou (even) or han(odd), and the house pays out to whoever guessed correctly, since we have secure rolling, all of the players could call out chou or han first, then the dealer could roll.)
Rae ArdGaoth
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Here's one question I have about gambling rolls in general: How do you determine who gets how much money and who loses how much? Perhaps some random system based on the "starting money" and the "max pot" which would be set before the rolls. I'm not really sure. For games like those going on in the tavern, I would say we just assume that everybody comes out even in the end, since it's only a couple of copper per player. But even little games can get big, and big games can get dangerous. It might be seen as over complicating things, but I think it's an important aspect of the concept.
Also, someone (Velmont, it's your proposal) should compile all the comments in this thread so judges can have something concrete to approve (or disapprove!) of.
Also, someone (Velmont, it's your proposal) should compile all the comments in this thread so judges can have something concrete to approve (or disapprove!) of.
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So, for playing Poker, I...Roll 1d20+1(Wis. and Prof. Gambler modefier). Then to cheat, i can roll 1d20+?* with the DC being ?**. I can catch someone cheating by using a spot check*** which will catch the cheater if my roll beats his. Also, whats the sleight-of-hand ability?
*=what ability modefier?
**=Whats the Diufficulty class?
***=Can spot be used untrained?
*=what ability modefier?
**=Whats the Diufficulty class?
***=Can spot be used untrained?
Velmont
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That thread has been quiet for a while, so here the suggestion I do officially to the mods, considering all that has been told here.
1. Number game rules
To see if you win, you roll a Profession(Gambler) check, or an Intelligence roll. The check is opposed by the house (D20 + modification depending on the odds and the level of cheating of the house). The modifier is hidden to the player.
2. Number game cheating
A Sleight-of-Hand roll is made, and is opposed by a Spot made by the house. The DC of the Sleight-of-Hand is 15+(Bonus wanted). If he is successfull, he gain that bonus, if not, he roll normally. If the house roll over the Sleight-of-Hand result, the player is spotted cheating (even if he wasn't successfull).
3. Number game winnings
The difference between the two checks is multiplied by a number fixed by the DM. That is the amount the player win/lose.
4. Bluffing game rules
To see if you win, you roll a Profession(Gambler) check. That check received synergy bonus from Sense Motive and Bluff. The player may choose to roll a Bluff check or Sense Motive check instead, but he gain no synergy bonus from the other skills. The check is rolled by all player, and the highest roll win.
5. Bluffing game cheating
A Sleight-of-Hand roll is made, and is opposed by a Spot made by the other players. The DC of the Sleight-of-Hand is 15+(Bonus wanted). If he is successfull, he gain that bonus, if not, he roll normally. If another player roll over the Sleight-of-Hand result, the player is spotted cheating (even if he wasn't successfull).
6. Bluffing game winnings
A base bet is determine at the start of the game. A player has bet that amount to start to play. Everyone raise a number of time equals to the natural roll of there check, divided by 5, rounded down. (Mean: 1-4 = 0 raise, 5-9 = 1 raise, 10-14 = 2 raise, 15-19 = 3 raise, 20= 4 raise). To determine the number of raise made, DO NOT ADD your modifier, only the natural roll of the dice is used.
1. Number game rules
To see if you win, you roll a Profession(Gambler) check, or an Intelligence roll. The check is opposed by the house (D20 + modification depending on the odds and the level of cheating of the house). The modifier is hidden to the player.
2. Number game cheating
A Sleight-of-Hand roll is made, and is opposed by a Spot made by the house. The DC of the Sleight-of-Hand is 15+(Bonus wanted). If he is successfull, he gain that bonus, if not, he roll normally. If the house roll over the Sleight-of-Hand result, the player is spotted cheating (even if he wasn't successfull).
3. Number game winnings
The difference between the two checks is multiplied by a number fixed by the DM. That is the amount the player win/lose.
4. Bluffing game rules
To see if you win, you roll a Profession(Gambler) check. That check received synergy bonus from Sense Motive and Bluff. The player may choose to roll a Bluff check or Sense Motive check instead, but he gain no synergy bonus from the other skills. The check is rolled by all player, and the highest roll win.
5. Bluffing game cheating
A Sleight-of-Hand roll is made, and is opposed by a Spot made by the other players. The DC of the Sleight-of-Hand is 15+(Bonus wanted). If he is successfull, he gain that bonus, if not, he roll normally. If another player roll over the Sleight-of-Hand result, the player is spotted cheating (even if he wasn't successfull).
6. Bluffing game winnings
A base bet is determine at the start of the game. A player has bet that amount to start to play. Everyone raise a number of time equals to the natural roll of there check, divided by 5, rounded down. (Mean: 1-4 = 0 raise, 5-9 = 1 raise, 10-14 = 2 raise, 15-19 = 3 raise, 20= 4 raise). To determine the number of raise made, DO NOT ADD your modifier, only the natural roll of the dice is used.
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Velmont
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Velmont said:
So, let's say Jack (no one is pointed by this random name
) try to place the card while dealing. He says he want to have a +10 bonus, so his DC will be 25. If he is successfull, he will be able to roll for his Profession(Grambler), Bluff or Sense Motive with the usual bonus, and a +10 over that.Similar Threads
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