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    A Question on old myths

    I was reading the Tale of the Jaberwocky and I was curious as to if it is ever told what a Jaberwocky and a Bandersnatch is.. have they ever been to paper as in D&D? If so what kind of creatures where they? Description and stats etc...

    Also is this where the famous Vorpal sword came from?

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    here's Ral Partha's interpretation of the Jabberwock :-)

    http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~kuijt/ralpartha/J4.jpg
    based on the original engraving from the first edtion of Through the Looking Glass:
    http://www2.ijs.si/~brane/carroll/jabberwock.html

    I believe that Lewis Carroll did indeed come up with all of these on his own, including the word "vorpal," and all the seemingly nonsense words of the poem. He also, in that poem, coined the word "chortle" which has become a "real" word now.

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    Originally posted by Maerdwyn
    I believe that Lewis Carroll did indeed come up with all of these on his own, including the word "vorpal," and all the seemingly nonsense words of the poem. He also, in that poem, coined the word "chortle" which has become a "real" word now.
    Yep, it's not a myth, it was just a poem Lewis Carroll came up with in his INSANE mind.

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    The 2e Monstrous Compendium Annual #3 (I think it's that one at least) has stats for the Jabberwock.

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    There are some people who think the whole Jabberwocky poem is really a secret message hidden in anagrams.

    Here's a link: Jabberwocky

    And has anyone seen the movie "Jabberwocky?" It came out in the 70s, shortly after "Monty Python and the Holy Grail." Some of the Python troupe are in it, but it wasn't their project. It's set in the Dark Ages, in a city besieged by the Jabberwocky. It is hilarious. If you haven't seen it, try to find a copy on video and watch it.

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    In Larry Niven's novel Ringworld, a species named bandersnatch was referred to several times. They even found the skeleton of one. Not much details given, though.

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    Originally posted by Shadowdancer
    There are some people who think the whole Jabberwocky poem is really a secret message hidden in anagrams.
    There was an article about this in some magazine (possibly New Yorker, but I can't recall - a fairly literate mag) in which the author claimed that an anagram of one of Lewis Carrol's poem's proved Lewis Carrol was Jack the Ripper.

    A letter in the next issue took the first paragraph of that article and did an anagram of it to show the author had killed Nicole Brown Simpson and framed OJ.

    To give you an idea of how useful anagrams are as "proof" of anything!
    Last edited by Kid Charlemagne; Friday, 25th January, 2002 at 02:57 PM.

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    For more information about Mr. Anagram, check out http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a970307a.html

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    While the Jabberwock has indeed been statted up in 2e (And I think has been converted to 3e by someone as well), I don't think the bandersnatch ever recieved such treatment.

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    Originally posted by Carnifex
    While the Jabberwock has indeed been statted up in 2e (And I think has been converted to 3e by someone as well), I don't think the bandersnatch ever recieved such treatment.
    Didn't it first appear in 1E?

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