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    Well. Shatner is from Verdun, which.. well, it's sorta like Harlem. Which makes his accomplishments all the better.

    Of course, Harlem in Canada is still pretty darn good.

 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barak
    And here I was thinking Gary was a stick-in-the-mud. Curses you Gideon, for shattering my illusions!

    Actually, he gave me an invitation to go to his house, so I gather he's alright.

    And I'm from the great North-East (Qubec), which is worse.
    See you at the Canadian National Gaming Expo in Toronto?

    Cheers,
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    Apologies for the length, and discursionary nature of this post. It all began earlier today, with Whitey's trip to the local game store, to peruse the monthly new offerings. Here we find lovable ol' Whitey, our protagonist, and Very Tall Tom, head employee there.

    WHITEY: None of these books look very good to buy, Tom. They all got good bits and pieces, sure. But nobody wants to play pieces, they want to play a game.

    VERY TALL TOM: You should look at this D02 thingy. It's the latest, from the makers of Star Sistaz (TM).

    WHITEY: Hasbro is poo stinky. (edited for board posting)

    VERY TALL TOM: Now wait a minute, Whitey. You like the dungeons and the dragons. Last month, you turned down Obscure 'Rules Lite' System #14. Don't you want this?

    WHITEY: Nope. Besides, you were on Obscure 'Rules Lite' System #11, the month before that.

    VTT: This D20 fantasy/revised ed. book implies that you need it, to play the game how they say. You gotta stay current, to be playing the game truest, right?

    WHITEY: See, that's their scam. They're not really selling a game anymore - they're not even peddling a book of numbers, related to a game. What they're doing, is selling an endorsement. Play how we want, using not only our mechanics, but our whole mandatory wealth by level, guaranteed cakewalk combat, trendwhoring mish-mash settings, and you are playing the just and proper form of the game. Disagree, and your game is somehow lesser. They go on and on, about options instead of limitations being their goal, but there is no other option, if ya don't subscribe to that.

    VTT: Calm down, Whitey. You're like, foaming at the mouth.

    WHITEY: Look at it like this - according to them, every PC faces 'level appropriate' challenges, with the same gear value, using the same stale plot-lines. What's it to them, that every game plods out to the same result? And if it's got their precious, precious balance, and everything is defined by numbers, why not just have dueling Excel spreadsheets, with no gaming at all? See, if the game could be played in two totally different fashions, using the same rules, those games would both be just as 'right', so long as everybody playing enjoyed them. But they can't have that. To reduce the Dungeons and Dragons name into a cipher, a brand that can be slapped on any piece of garbage, they have to take away its identity. They don't own that - the players do, and they're out to disenfranchise the players, who won't get in line. There is one way they say, fun or not fun, to do it. And that is the harshest limitation of all.

    That's about how the conversation played out. Some of the more colorful expletives were removed, but what Tom said, was really crucial. So, it's posted here with the question - what do you think, Mr Gygax? Basically, can a gamer play just the spirit of a game, or is there something intrinsic to the rules, that makes playing the rules the point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey
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    That's about how the conversation played out. Some of the more colorful expletives were removed, but what Tom said, was really crucial. So, it's posted here with the question - what do you think, Mr Gygax? Basically, can a gamer play just the spirit of a game, or is there something intrinsic to the rules, that makes playing the rules the point?
    Howdy Whitey...

    What you suggest is something I have basically supported since the inception of the game: the rules are guidelines and the DM should feel free to do his own thing.

    I did attempt to get some conformity in the AD&D system, because I wished to rpomote large-scale convention tournaments, give cash prizes (but that was quashed along with my gamer scholarships effort).

    So in my opinion you are completely justified in what you think.

    Cheers,
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    See you at the Canadian National Gaming Expo in Toronto?

    Cheers,
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    Well I'm -from- Montral, but I live in the states now, for better and for worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barak
    Well I'm -from- Montral, but I live in the states now, for better and for worse.
    Okay...

    ...so visit Toronto as a sort of homecoming perhaps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col_Pladoh
    Okay...

    ...so visit Toronto as a sort of homecoming perhaps

    Cheers,
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    Gary, you don't know too much about Canada, do you? Suggesting that for a Montrealer a visit to Toronto would be "a sort of homecoming" is like suggesting to a San Franciscan that a visit to Los Angeles would be "a sort of homecoming".

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    Quote Originally Posted by orsal
    Gary, you don't know too much about Canada, do you? Suggesting that for a Montrealer a visit to Toronto would be "a sort of homecoming" is like suggesting to a San Franciscan that a visit to Los Angeles would be "a sort of homecoming".
    What part of "sort of" didn't come through?

    Leaving the USA to return to Canada is indeed a homecoming of sorts, just as an American arriving in New York City from some European country is experiencing a homecoming even if he is from somewhere far removed from that city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey
    There is one way they say, fun or not fun, to do it. And that is the harshest limitation of all.
    And you're saying this is a new phenomenon? It's not, by decades.

    Who is doing all this limiting and saying this or that is fun/not fun? It's more a perception of the individual, not something inherent in the game. EDIT: I'm going to expand upon this a tad, so as to ask Gary a question related to this.

    Way back when, I was very obsessive-compulsive about buying game books, especially for D&D. For whatever reason, I just had to have every book that came out, and every book's new gewgaws for the game had to have a place in my game. I was the completist's completist. Anyway, as I got older, and especially with the advent of the 3e/d20 era, I finally had an epiphany - I didn't have to buy anything. I didn't have to use everything that TSR/WotC published. The implications which I thought were in those books - implications that one's game was not complete or cool or fun without the books in question - were, in all fairness, just my own perceptions of how things were, rather than something actually present in the books.

    Now, for a question to Gary. I think this has been addressed in the past, but hey, I'll ask it again - there is and was a perception that you took on a very, hmm, how shall I put this....authoritarian air in the 1e books. That is, many have said that you were proclaiming that when it came to playing D&D - or, maybe more correctly in this case, AD&D - it was either your way or no way. The HackMaster game actually bases much of its tone in the Players Handbook and Game Masters Guide upon this very notion. In my opinion, much of your tone was definitely tongue-in-cheek, which I think HackMaster's designers picked up on. Was that your intention? Another possibility that I've mulled is that you were basically stressing that the game had to have commonly agreed-upon foundations in order for tournament play to be feasible, and this assertion was taken, by the more sensitive, to be commandments issued by you for any game, whether played at home or a con. After getting acquainted with your online persona, I'm much more inclined to believe the former rather than the latter. Any thoughts?
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