Gary Gygax Q&A, Part IX - Page 56




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    Half-halflings. possible or not?

    Hi, Gary!

    Ok, I got into a debate with a friend tonight, because I was creating a Half-human Half-halfling character. He said I couldn't do that because the rules say it is impossible for those two races to breed. I told him to show me where it is written, then he said that it isn't written anywhere, meaning that nowhere does it say about the existance of half-halflings, so by the CORE rules they CAN'T exist, unless the DM allows it. That doesn't satisfy me, because the DM can allow anything. I want to know if the rules support it or not.

    So, you are the father of the game, what is your take in this? Would the core rules support a half-halfling or not? I know half-kenders are possible, because there are several Dragonlance novels with half-kenders in it, one of them being Brothers in Arms from Margaret Weis. And kenders are a subrace of halflings.

 

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    Kender are not halflings.

    Moreover, if your DM says that there's no such thing as human-halfling hybrids - regardless of what his rationale is - then there's no such thing as human-halfling hybrids.
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    Thanks, but that was NOT the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Magician
    Thanks, but that was NOT the question.
    Yes, it was.

    You wanted to know if the rules support human-halfling hybrids.

    They aren't in the book, so the answer starts off as "No." However, Gary will be the first to tell you that everything is really in the DM's hands, so if the DM says, "Yes," then that means the rules - which are actually guidelines - support human-halfling hybrids.

    Your DM said "No."

    Ergo, the rules don't suppport human-halfling hybrids - at least, not with that particular DM.
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    Oh, he is not the DM. We were just discussing rules. I was making a character for another game and the DM will allow it. I am not worried about that. It's just that this friend of mine was so annoying in his arguments that I had to look for a third opinion. Even though there aren't any templates for half-halflings, there are guildelines for creating new races, so my friend's argument that the rules don't back up the possibility of half-halflings sounds invalid to me. The DMG talks about creating new races or modifying existing ones. Sure, by doing that you would need DM's approval, but still, doesn't that mean the core rules back up the existance of half-halflings?

    Edit: The DMG from 3E says in page 24 and 25: "An interesting avenue you may wish to examine regarding new race creation is the idea of half-breed races. The players Handbook already presents half-elf and half-orc. The MOnster's Manual gives rules on half-celestials, half-dragons, (...) orc-ogre (orog), gnome-halfling, (...) You may wish to rule that some crossbreeds are impossible or unfeasible, such as dwarf-elf, halfling-human..."

    That sucks. First they remove their infravision and now they screw up their fertility! =(
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    Thanks for the clarification!

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Magician
    Sure, by doing that you would need DM's approval, but still, doesn't that mean the core rules back up the existance of half-halflings?
    Not really. That'd be what's normally referred to as a "house rule."

    This doesn't mean it's less of a rule, or somehow invalid, but it does mean "I am stepping beyond / refining / changing an aspect of the rules in the books."

    By a certain argument, yes, the rules support half-halflings, but they do so less "strictly" than they do laser guns and muskets (both of which are present in the DMG in an optional section) and about equally as well as they support players taking on the role of dirt molecules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Magician
    Oh, he is not the DM. We were just discussing rules. I was making a character for another game and the DM will allow it. I am not worried about that. It's just that this friend of mine was so annoying in his arguments that I had to look for a third opinion. Even though there aren't any templates for half-halflings, there are guildelines for creating new races, so my friend's argument that the rules don't back up the possibility of half-halflings sounds invalid to me. The DMG talks about creating new races or modifying existing ones. Sure, by doing that you would need DM's approval, but still, doesn't that mean the core rules back up the existance of half-halflings?

    Edit: The DMG from 3E says in page 24 and 25: "An interesting avenue you may wish to examine regarding new race creation is the idea of half-breed races. The players Handbook already presents half-elf and half-orc. The MOnster's Manual gives rules on half-celestials, half-dragons, (...) orc-ogre (orog), gnome-halfling, (...) You may wish to rule that some crossbreeds are impossible or unfeasible, such as dwarf-elf, halfling-human..."
    Not to speak for the good Colonel, but if your question relates to 3e or any game system that is the IP of another party I doubt if he'll say anything other than "whatever the DM says."

    That sucks. First they remove their infravision and now they screw up their fertility! =(
    Actually, IIRC, in 1e only some halflings had infravision (2e may be different) and I don't recall any half-halflings in either of those editions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Mouser

    Actually, IIRC, in 1e only some halflings had infravision (2e may be different) and I don't recall any half-halflings in either of those editions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gideon_thorne
    Wouldn't half a halfling be a quarterling?
    Heh, I think Gary might have actually made that pun in a 1e book, although I can't remember which one.

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    Thanks for the help, guys. =)

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