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    Well Dang!

    Back in chicago in the early 1940's we used wooden swords and garbage can or peach crate lits reinforced with cardboard shields to have "wars" against the "enemy gang" that were at the north end of the long alley that ran in an L-shape on the 4100 block of Kenmore Avenue. Out gang was in the middle of the block on both sides of the streets--the Pirates on my side, the east, the Indians across the way. Of course we'd team up is any "strangers" came around

    My older brother was in high school, had some big friends, Jack Markam being the largest at around 6'4" and near 300 pounds. when cleaning the basement as was his usual Saturday chore, my brother put Jack in my old baby carriage and wrecked it, so mother had him take it out to the trash. thus came into possession our War Wagon.

    I had gleaned a rug pole from the alley, that being about 9' long and around 2" diameter...a marvelout lance! I was elected to ride in the sprung baby carriage, and armed with the lance, two of my pals serving as the team pushing the vehicle, and another couple of stalwartf flanking it to right and left, we forayed up to the dogleg in the alley where the "enemy kids" held sway. They spotted us porming up, got their shields, swords and rocks ready, and formed up to drive us away. The war wagon was too much for them, though. We were at least 50' from them and charging when the lot of them broke and ran for it.

    That bloodless defeat ended their challenging our right to ranging the alley even though the war wagon was soon gone with the trash pickup and the mighty lance lost who knows where.
    The defeated forces made the circular park across from St. Mary's of the Lake their new domain, but they didn't challenge us in armed combat again

    The year after that we got into a serious fracas with a big gang of boys from further north, there were at least 30 of them to out dozen, but that's a whole different story, and the main reason my father decided to move from Chicago

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patryn of Elvenshae
    Err, yeah, sorry about that. I could have been clearer.

    G-little-g constantly harps about how I (and others) are not actually playing D&D with my (and our) friends in every thread in which it arises. Given that I'd come to ask for a little more clarification on your own views, it was something I really didn't need to be reminded of.

    I thought you were rallying to his defense - which on the surface made sense, given the disgust you'd previously mentioned.

    Sorry again for the confusion!
    Heh...

    Allow me to make one thing clear, just in case

    I am not prone to take actual offense at most anything relating to gaming, save a personal insult. I will return jibes and make caustic comments, but all in the spirit of fun. As a matter of fact I am not much given to thinking of myself as sacroscanct, not do I hold grudges against those who disagree with me In all, I view all gamers as fellows.

    Cheers,
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    Heh we had those stick wars as well but we added fire wood as throwing weapons. One team had their fortress up a steep cliffside (maybe 15' high) and the other side stormed up. It ended when one of us got a stick 1" under the eye and another one got unconcious from another stick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by med stud
    Heh we had those stick wars as well but we added fire wood as throwing weapons. One team had their fortress up a steep cliffside (maybe 15' high) and the other side stormed up. It ended when one of us got a stick 1" under the eye and another one got unconcious from another stick.
    Quite!

    Children do not consider the possible ramifications of their battles with sticks and stones.

    The big battle I mentioned ended when the toughest kid in our band dropped the leader of the attackers with a clinker thrown that beaned him on the forehead and knocked him cold.

    Alter on here in Wisconsin we used to use BB guns, slings, slingshots, and sharp cane limbs in our childish "wars." In the winter when things degenerated it was rocks in snowballs and iceballs... Nobody ever was seriously hurt, whether that was sheer luck or some busy guardian angels...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogolf
    But, of course, master! Whatever you say!

    As it was one of my crowning moments in the adventure, I can pat myself on the back for that one!!
    That instant correct decision indeed saved the party, for surely most would have dies instantly otherwise. good show

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    No matter where I lived (I was an army brat), our mock-combats used ranged weapons almost exclusively. In Tacoma, Washington, it was little rocks (!); in Stuttgart, Germany, it was Horse Chestnuts, either stripped of their outer casing, or with spikes intact (!!); and in Dallas, Texas, it was "spear grass"- a plant about 6-14" tall that, when plucked, had a hard, dart-like root-ball that if thrown, could draw blood at ranges up to 25'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col_Pladoh
    Well Dang!

    Back in chicago in the early 1940's we used wooden swords and garbage can or peach crate lits reinforced with cardboard shields to have "wars" against the "enemy gang" that were at the north end of the long alley that ran in an L-shape on the 4100 block of Kenmore Avenue. Out gang was in the middle of the block on both sides of the streets--the Pirates on my side, the east, the Indians across the way. Of course we'd team up is any "strangers" came around
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col_Pladoh
    Well Dang!

    Back in chicago in the early 1940's we used wooden swords and garbage can or peach crate lits reinforced with cardboard shields to have "wars" against the "enemy gang" that were at the north end of the long alley that ran in an L-shape on the 4100 block of Kenmore Avenue. Out gang was in the middle of the block on both sides of the streets--the Pirates on my side, the east, the Indians across the way. Of course we'd team up is any "strangers" came around

    My older brother was in high school, had some big friends, Jack Markam being the largest at around 6'4" and near 300 pounds. when cleaning the basement as was his usual Saturday chore, my brother put Jack in my old baby carriage and wrecked it, so mother had him take it out to the trash. thus came into possession our War Wagon.

    I had gleaned a rug pole from the alley, that being about 9' long and around 2" diameter...a marvelout lance! I was elected to ride in the sprung baby carriage, and armed with the lance, two of my pals serving as the team pushing the vehicle, and another couple of stalwartf flanking it to right and left, we forayed up to the dogleg in the alley where the "enemy kids" held sway. They spotted us porming up, got their shields, swords and rocks ready, and formed up to drive us away. The war wagon was too much for them, though. We were at least 50' from them and charging when the lot of them broke and ran for it.

    That bloodless defeat ended their challenging our right to ranging the alley even though the war wagon was soon gone with the trash pickup and the mighty lance lost who knows where.
    The defeated forces made the circular park across from St. Mary's of the Lake their new domain, but they didn't challenge us in armed combat again

    The year after that we got into a serious fracas with a big gang of boys from further north, there were at least 30 of them to out dozen, but that's a whole different story, and the main reason my father decided to move from Chicago

    Cheers,
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    Now that would've been something to see on video! I just have to shake my head and laugh cuz I know that's something I can picture our group doing too!

    It's amazing no-one was seriously hurt. Then again, we took precautions to limit the weapons we could use (no airborne missiles). The only time we had an airborne missile was when the ball of the morning-star flew off the plastic chain and landed at my feet. Thinking quickly, I picked it up and with a double-hand toss (had to be realistic, ya know!), bounced it off the side of one of our "enemies" head - quickly taking him out of the battle! (The ball was actually a rolled up sock wrapped in electrical tape). Or maybe it was because everyone was too busy laughing to keep the battle going!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patryn of Elvenshae
    G-little-g constantly harps about how I (and others) are not actually playing D&D with my (and our) friends in every thread in which it arises. Given that I'd come to ask for a little more clarification on your own views, it was something I really didn't need to be reminded of.

    I thought you were rallying to his defense - which on the surface made sense, given the disgust you'd previously mentioned.

    Sorry again for the confusion!
    Since in the discussions you remember you and others pointed out how much you didn't like "old" D&D and had left the game and only "returned" for "3e," I can't help but point out (by way of clarification) that "3e" and "3.5e" are not D&D, but part of the d20 System rules set. I don't understand why it upsets you so much.
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    • Rashness and foolhardiness are harbingers of death, as is timidity, in such adventure setting.
    • Those that complain about real challenges might be better off playing Candyland with their little sister
    • First and foremost, munchkinism arose as a contemporary of the OD&D game. Nothing in the rules of that or any other version of the game was needed to make it flourish.
    • There is no relationship between 3E and original D&D, or OAD&D for that matter. Different games, style, and spirit.
    • [E]xperience has taught me that everyone has their own gaming preferences, and it is not a matter of "good" or "bad" in all, save in light of one's own preferences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentlegamer
    Since in the discussions you remember you and others pointed out how much you didn't like "old" D&D and had left the game and only "returned" for "3e,"
    Find the post where I said that.

    I like "old" D&D. I played it for years. I "left the game," not because of the rules, but because I moved away from my gaming group and couldn't find another for awhile. When I "returned," it was because I found out online about a new version - and found some online games in which to play it. I've since found another face-to-face group.

    I prefer 3E, but I'd still be willing to play an older version - if I had the time and a good group.

    Which brings me to my next question ...

    When it comes to gaming groups, the majority of our time is spent playing one particular system. Currently, that's D&D 3.X. We're playing some d20 StarWars at the moment, as one DM takes a break, but we also play a lot of other games - the Munchkin card game, Cartagena, Battle Cry (done as a miniatures game), Rolemaster / MERPS, etc. In the past, my D&D groups (at this point, it was 2nd Ed.) also played short stints of Shadowrun, Rolemaster, WEG Star Wars, M:TG, and a bunch of others.

    So, when you weren't DMing D&D (in whatever flavor your preference at the time was), what other games did you or your gaming group prefer to run? And, if you've got more than a couple moments, what was it about those systems you particularly enjoyed?
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