Which version of Haste is the weakest version?

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Edena_of_Neith

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• Nov 30, 2005

• #1

Curious as to your opinions ...

 

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nittanytbone

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• Nov 30, 2005

• #2

It wasn't an option in your poll, but Haste 1E style is by far the worst. The benefits are great, but it automatically aged you a year magically, and in 1E, magical aging required a system shock roll which would kill you instantly if you failed.

Haste was thus a great spell for evil wizards who didn't care if their goblins on speed lived or died

 

Crothian

First Post

• Nov 30, 2005

• #3

First edition haste was great, sure it had risks but it was a powerful spell.

 

Infiniti2000

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• Nov 30, 2005

• #4

I don't recall 1e or 2e. That was too long ago and my aged memory ain't none too good no more.

 

dcollins

Explorer

• Nov 30, 2005

• #5

I would vote for "d20 Modern" haste as the weakest (similar to 3.5, one target only).

1st Ed. haste did age the target 1 year. There was no system shock roll requirement.
(Nittany is probably thinking of 1st Ed. polymorph other.)

 

Crothian

First Post

• Nov 30, 2005

• #6

How is second edition the weakest? It doubled the amount of attacks you had in a round. So, a specialized fighter of decent level could attack 4 or more times a round, and with a bow or high rate of fire weapon that could get much higher. It was a must spell to be cast on the non spellcasting dudes.

 

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Wonko the Sane

First Post

• Nov 30, 2005

• #7

I break into cold sweats when I think of the Elven Archer in my 2E game...
**shudder**

 

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irdeggman

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• Nov 30, 2005

• #8

The "problem" here is trying to compare a degree of "weakness" when the sytems are entirely different.

While 3.5 Haste has less beneficial effects it is, as a whole, more balanced in the system for which it was designed to be used.

2nd ed Haste was one of the more powerful 3rd level spells and thus slightly "out of balance".

3.0 Haste, well that argument continues to go on. But the system itself was changed when migrating to 3.5.

 

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Edena_of_Neith

First Post

• Dec 1, 2005

• #9

I seem to remember that the 2nd Edition Haste also aged you.

 

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nittanytbone

First Post

• Dec 1, 2005

• #10

dcollins said:

I would vote for "d20 Modern" haste as the weakest (similar to 3.5, one target only).

1st Ed. haste did age the target 1 year. There was no system shock roll requirement.
(Nittany is probably thinking of 1st Ed. polymorph other.)

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Ye Olde 1st Edition PHB p. 12 said:

System Shock Survival states the percentage chance the character has of surviving the following forms of magical attacks (or simple application of
the magic): aging, petrification (including flesh to stone spell), polymorph any object polymorph others.

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Ye Olde 1st Edition DMG p. 13 said:

Unnatural Aging:
Certain creatures will cause unnatural aging, and in addition various
magical factors can do so...
under a haste spell - 1 year

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That system shock-or-die roll really made Haste a non-PC friendly spell in 1E.