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Wednesday, 7th June, 2006, 02:16 PM #111
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
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Wednesday, 7th June, 2006, 02:19 PM #112
Hydra (Lvl 25)
Normally I would handle this in e-mail, but it is actually relevant to the topic. The irony of having to moderate in a thread about why moderation is necessary should not be lost on anyone.
Hussar and Big Dummy - you know that discretion thing I mentioned? Now would be a really good time to exercise it. Consider it a practical exercise on the topic at hand.
Wednesday, 7th June, 2006, 02:23 PM #113
Originally Posted by AndorThe only similarity between these two analogies is that they both occur in maternity wards.Originally Posted by BD
The first has the subject asking an uncalled for and obtusely rude question of people who are possibly doing nothing but appreciating their babies.
The second ascribes to the subject altruistic motives and the only reason why his methods of saving babies lives (a facet of this analogy that was not present in the first) arn't adopted is because of reactionary, ignorant maternity ward-goers.
If big dummy is the guy walking into the maternity ward, and he's apparently getting shouted down, is it because a) he's asking why one opinion of his is fact [everyone elses babies are ugly] or, b) he has a brilliant solution to promote healthier babies [gaming] and everyone else is the problem.
That's the difference between the two analogies. In the first one the fault lies with the guy asking why everyone's babies are ugly, the second because everyone else doesn't know what's best for their babies, and the guy does.
Your posts in this thread and the closed one exhibit a tendancy to turn an opinion into a verifiable fact. That can be divisive, even if there is no other material reason for disagreement. Admitting your own fallability will go a long way to easing your relations with other posters if that's what you're interested in doing. Unless you feel that it comprimises you, in which case you'll have this problem no matter the forum you post to.
Last edited by Felix; Wednesday, 7th June, 2006 at 02:50 PM.
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Wednesday, 7th June, 2006, 02:27 PM #114
Gallant (Lvl 3)
It doesn't take hours to insult someone online. It only takes a few seconds to write a few inflammatory words. It is harder, and takes more effort to actually try and consider the tone and content of one message so that some random person doesn't take offense.Originally Posted by big dummy
IMO, the insulting and ridicule is far less than it used to be. I remember the flamewars and trolls, trollbaits, and insults of yesteryear with (mostly) affection.
Bugaboo, where are you? (rhetorical question).
Wednesday, 7th June, 2006, 02:30 PM #115
Certainly have seen it here and don't think you are off base. But have seen it far, far worse and far more often on other D&D forums, where sometimes even the moderators join in. Excuse the language, but "thread crapping" I think it is called.Originally Posted by big dummy
My own limited observation is the "angry response"/"take it or leave it" seems more prevalent in D&D forums than in forums directed to other RPGs I follow, such as The Fantasy Trip, Traveller, and Tunnels & Trolls, and wargame sites. Some are bascially un-moderated and we all get along! Do I think it has to do with something peculiar to D&D? I don't think so and I hope not, given the numbers of D&D players/forum members you are going to get more of those who are delibrately obtuse and unable to engage in reasoned argument. Get enough and they can form their own club that shuts down threads lickity split.
As a hobby, I find an attitude of "angry response (usually passive-aggressive)"/"take it or leave it" to be a bane on removing the negative stereo-types associated with D&D players as asocial geeks who need to get a life and also a handicap on getting new people into the hobby. A personal story, in the last year I've pointed some people to a D&D forum site (not this one) who were interested in pen&paper RPGs to get an idea about it. The response, pen&paper RPGs sounded interesting but they had no interest in playing the game because of the people. They are willing to try RPGs as long as it is not D&D based purley on poster attitudes towards others! Let me say it took some work to convince them that not all D&D palyers are like that.
P.S. I theoretically like the idea of careful posting and editing. Alas the reality is I often post from work, so it's a "quick" type up with my horrendous typing skills. Edit later? I wish I had time.
Wednesday, 7th June, 2006, 02:31 PM #116
The Great Druid (Lvl 17)
You've been on the wrong forums...Originally Posted by big dummy
Goto Harmony-Central.com's Backstage forum, and post about your band and how everyone should listen to your new CD...
Eric's Gramma doesn't frequent there...
On Geocaching.com, if you start a thread that's already been done, it's jumped on, and links to the original thread posted (often from years before). Folks actually go back and look these links up.
On most sites, it's easy to research the thread history of a poster. When folks see a post they think of as inflamatory, post count, and post history IS often researched, and taken into account on the response by other posters and mods. Basically, what you've said and how long you've been in the village DOES affect your relations with the villagers TODAY.
And for the record, the OP's opening lines CAN be read as hostile. While folks in this thread have not taken harshly to it, it's is wording like this, that can agitate folks.
Big Dummy said:
Why is it that any time any discussion about D&D comes up which could even remotely somehow be construed as some kind of criticism of D&D as-is, a select few of the forum regulars swoop down with such venomous, vicious spiteful attacks to shut it down?
Big Dummy could have said:
How come some posts that might be construed as some kind of criticism of D&D as-is, some people see it as an anti-D&D and spur arguments instead of discussion?
Not perfect, but it doesn't imply that it always happens, nor does it single out any body, nor does it imply hostile intent.
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Wednesday, 7th June, 2006, 02:31 PM #117
Guide (Lvl 11)
The whole baby analogy is also a good example of "debate within the debate". What does it bring to the original discussion, besides an example of what posters should not do? Nothing.
It's just another petty argument on a detail to know "who's right" and "who's to blame". That sucks.
Wednesday, 7th June, 2006, 02:32 PM #118
Myrmidon (Lvl 10)
...Originally Posted by big dummy
Okay. Whatever you say. kthxbye
Wednesday, 7th June, 2006, 02:32 PM #119
A 1e title so awesome it's not in the book (Lvl 21)
Making millions from his DM-for-pay Ponzi schemes!Originally Posted by green slime
Actually, I'm in loose touch with Bugaboo, who I really like; we trade emails about once a year.
- Piratecat, EN World Admin. Now writing TimeWatch, an investigative time travel game.
Wednesday, 7th June, 2006, 02:44 PM #120
Let's be honest here. When your second post on these boards starts as follows you can expect people to have a negative view.
And that after the person tried to point you in a direction that may already suite your needs. I saw thaat going nowhere from post 10. If you are asking peoples opinions, it might be best not to try to force those people to say what you want them to.Its so typical any time you bring up anything about changing D&D in any way, people send you off to other games....
[Edit] D&D is hardly perfect. If you stay around here and stay out of trouble, you will find that most people here don't run it out of the box and are more open to changes than say someone on the WotC boards.