Tiefling Fighter 5 - looking for help

doghead · Jun 23, 2006

I have drawn up a Teifling Psychic Warrior 5 for a Dawnforged Game. Teiflings don't make great fighters, with -2 str, +2 dex, -2 con, +2 Int racial stat adjustements, so I was originally looking to create a dex fighter with damage ability boosted by psionic powers (Animal Affinity for Dex bonus, boosted for str bonus is an option as well) and feats (Psionic Weapon, Deep Impact, Narrow Mind, Psionic Meditation). I like the idea of Animal Affinity. But the whole thing is a bit of a mess, and clunky. Too much manifesting and attempting to regain focus in combat.

So on a whim, I thought I would see what I could do with a straight fighter.

[bq]Fighter 5
Str: 13 (+1) [06 points, -2 racial, +1 level]
Dex: 20 (+5) [16 points, +2 racial]
Con: 14 (+2) [06 points, -2 racial, +2 racial]
Int: 14 (+2) [02 point, +2 racial, +2 racial]
Wis: 12 (+1) [04 points]
Cha: 12 (+1) [02 points, +2 racial]

HD 5d10+10 (hp 40)
BAB +5
Fort +4
Refl +1
Will +1

--- Feats ---
Level 1 - Weapon Finesse.
Fighter 1 - Weapon Focus (Rapier).
Fighter 2 - Dodge.
Level 3 - Quick Draw.
Fighter 4 - Power Attack.

+1 Rapier +12 melee (1d6+2, 18-20/x2).
* with Power Attack (4) Rapier +8 melee (1d6+6).[/bq]

Is power attack with a rapier legal? Am I missing anything.

Alternatively, I was thinking of taking Weapon Specialisation at 4. It doesn't give the damage bonus of Power Attack, but it is always on.

thotd

IcyCool · Jun 23, 2006

doghead said:
I have drawn up a Teifling Psychic Warrior 5 for a Dawnforged Game. Teiflings don't make great fighters, with -2 str, +2 dex, -2 con, +2 Int racial stat adjustements

Are these stat adjustments something specific to Dawnforged? Because those aren't the stat adjustments for a standard tiefling (I'm pretty sure they are +2 Dex, +2 Int, -2 Cha)

doghead said:
Is power attack with a rapier legal? Am I missing anything.

Provided Power Attack and the Rapier aren't different in Dawnforged, you'll note that the description of the rapier states that it cannot be used in conjunction with power attack, and that Power Attack states that you can't use it with a light weapon.

rowport · Jun 23, 2006

doghead said:
...So on a whim, I thought I would see what I could do with a straight fighter.

[bq]Fighter 5
Str: 13 (+1) [06 points, -2 racial, +1 level]
Dex: 20 (+5) [16 points, +2 racial]
Con: 14 (+2) [06 points, -2 racial, +2 racial]
Int: 14 (+2) [02 point, +2 racial, +2 racial]
Wis: 12 (+1) [04 points]
Cha: 12 (+1) [02 points, +2 racial]

HD 5d10+10 (hp 40)
BAB +5
Fort +4
Refl +1
Will +1

--- Feats ---
Level 1 - Weapon Finesse.
Fighter 1 - Weapon Focus (Rapier).
Fighter 2 - Dodge.
Level 3 - Quick Draw.
Fighter 4 - Power Attack.

+1 Rapier +12 melee (1d6+2, 18-20/x2).
* with Power Attack (4) Rapier +8 melee (1d6+6).[/bq]

Is power attack with a rapier legal? Am I missing anything.

Alternatively, I was thinking of taking Weapon Specialisation at 4. It doesn't give the damage bonus of Power Attack, but it is always on.

thotd

Dog-

Looking at the feats you have chosen, and keeping in mind the DEX and INT racial bonuses, you might consider Swashbuckler instead. At level one they get Weapon Finesse, and at level three they get INT bonus to damage. Unfortunately, they kind of taper off quickly after that, so perhaps go Swashbuckler 3/Fighter 2/PrC xx, or Swashbuckler 3/Fighter 4/PrC xx? That would kind of give you the best of both worlds- the ideal feats, higher skill points, the INT damage bonus and two fighter bonus feats. (Of course, since a Tiefling would have to keep class levels close to avoid the XP penalty, you would then want to get into a PrC.)

EDIT: I forgot to mention, you cannot use PA with a Rapier, so if you still want Fighter 4 you might as well take Weapon Specialization. With a +2 from WSp and +2 from INT bonus, you have a base +4 damage bonus *without* lowering your BAB. That is not bad at all...

Malum · Jun 23, 2006

Consider Bite of the Wolf, 2d8 damage at 5th level, it's a bonus attack, it's damage increases with level without higher point expenditure. And for a Teifling it would give you that “evil” appearance.

if you want bang for the buck, enlarge, bite of the wolf, imp grapple, unavoidable strike, psionic fist, greater psionic fist, earths embrace......= at 5th level 2d8 + 4d6 + str = a lot of damage the bite hits with the opponent having 0 armor bonus and is a bonus attack, the enlarged size gives +4 to grapple, the imp grapple gives +4 to grapple + str +d12 = your going to maul the crap out of people!

I just dont know if the stat you posted would work with this?

just some thoughts

Malum

Thanee · Jun 23, 2006

Power Attack and Rapier: Why would that not work?

The rapier can be used with Weapon Finesse.
The rapier is not a light weapon.
The rapier cannot be wielded in two hands in order to gain the 1½ Str bonus.

That's all.

Bye
Thanee

IcyCool · Jun 23, 2006

Thanee said:
Power Attack and Rapier: Why would that not work?

The rapier can be used with Weapon Finesse.
The rapier is not a light weapon.
The rapier cannot be wielded in two hands in order to gain the 1½ Str bonus.

Right. For some reason I had it in my head that the Rapier was a light weapon, and had mistaken the "can't 2-hand to gain 1.5 Str bonus" with "can't power attack".

Thanee · Jun 23, 2006

Technically, you could even gain the 2 for 1 bonus from Power Attack with a rapier, but I guess you would also gain a smack to the head with the DMG then.

Bye
Thanee

doghead · Jun 24, 2006

Thanks everyone. My character-fu is terrible.

The racial stats (and other bits) are different in Dawnforged. The main LA+N character races seem to have been modified to be LA 0.

I did check to see if the Rapier was a light or one-handed weapon. It's one-handed, but can be used with Weapon Finesse. I didn't think to look in the Rapier description ...

SRD said:
You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn’t a light weapon for you. You can’t wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.

So it appears to be legal for one handed power attacks. 2 handed attacks are out though. I would have had difficulty keeping a straight face when presenting that to a DM anyways.

I can see why the swashbuckler keeps coming up when light fighters are being discussed. Unfortunately, its not among the class options.

I did look at 'natural attack' powers like bite of the wolf and claws of the beast. Claws are handy because they are manifesst as a swift action, and can be augmented. And then there is always Claws of the Vampire ... hmm, we don't have a healer in the party ... perhaps I should look at a more animistic power/feat set.

Lots to think about.

Thanks again everyone.

thotd

doghead · Jun 25, 2006

Hiitar Vain, male Tiefling Swashbuckler 3 / Fighter 2 is here for those who are curious as to how he turned out in the end.

> http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=2896960&postcount=5 <

One of the other players suggested Swashbuckler, and the DM gave it the go ahead. I didn't twist their arm or anything, I swear.

Thanks again for your help.

Thanee · Jun 25, 2006

Looks good.

I'd probably get Combat Expertise instead of Quick Draw, though. Sets you up for Improved Disarm and the likes, which fits well to a dextrous fighter (IMHO).

Bye
Thanee

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