AbeTheGnome
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What's the best build for a Telflammar Shadowlord? I've got eight levels to work with, and I want to exploit Shadow Pounce/Shadow Jump/Sneak Attack for all it's worth.
Keep in mind that I'm building a playable character, here, not one that any DM in his right mind is going to nerf: that probably means only one full attack per round, no matter what the loopholes in the rules.RigaMortus2 said:use Martial Lore feat from Bo9S and make sure you pick up Shadow Jaunt, Shadow Stride and Shadow Blink. Then you can teleport 3 times in the round, getting a full attack on each one.
AbeTheGnome said:Keep in mind that I'm building a playable character, here, not one that any DM in his right mind is going to nerf: that probably means only one full attack per round, no matter what the loopholes in the rules.
May be one that can port, attack, and port away would be more likely to sneak under the radar. Anyone know of a way to do this?
PS... Thanks for the link, Nifft.
Perhaps I should clarify: I want to optimize my character build for when I do have access to Shadow Pounce.Sithobi1 said:You can't even get Shadow Pounce by level 8.
Loopholes are legit. That's why they're called loopholes instead of cheating. Personally, I don't think that the folks that wrote the Shadowlord prestige class intended the Shadow Pounce ability to be able to produce more than one full attack. Because the text of the ability is poorly worded, it's a powergamer's wet dream. The ability has seen much debate on how best to optimize and exploit it. This is fine and dandy. If your DM follows the rules to the letter, he'll allow it. Otherwise, he'll say, "That's obviously not how this ability was intended to work," and he'll nerf it, because it's insanely powerful. I think it's a cool ability with only one full attack.RigaMortus2 said:There are no "loopholes", it is all legit... As long as you have the feats (which, you should), you can take the 3 shadow jumping maneuvers and get a full attack off of each one. You did ask for advice on the "best build" for a Telflammar Shadowlord, didn't you?
AbeTheGnome said:Loopholes are legit. That's why they're called loopholes instead of cheating. Personally, I don't think that the folks that wrote the Shadowlord prestige class intended the Shadow Pounce ability to be able to produce more than one full attack. Because the text of the ability is poorly worded, it's a powergamer's wet dream. The ability has seen much debate on how best to optimize and exploit it. This is fine and dandy. If your DM follows the rules to the letter, he'll allow it. Otherwise, he'll say, "That's obviously not how this ability was intended to work," and he'll nerf it, because it's insanely powerful. I think it's a cool ability with only one full attack.
AbeTheGnome said:The thing I really want to do with this is be able to slide in, strike with one uber sneak attack, and slide back out (out of harm's way). Will spring attack work in conjunction with Shadow Pounce?
Apologies. Honestly, I don't know how my DM is going to rule on this, or even if he'll allow it. I just know what I would do if I were ruling: I would nerf it. Since I looked at Nifft's link, I realize how extremely exploitable this ability is, and I don't want to bring that to a game.RigaMortus2 said:Based off your initial post, how are we supposed to how your DM is playing Shadow Pounce? If he is going to make up his own house rules on how it works, and if it has limits, we kinda need to know that. You asked for the "best build" and I gave you one idea.