Epic problem OOC

Salarassa lvl7 Sorcerer/lvl5 Archmage/lvl8 Unseen Seer/lvl3 Blackguard
Lawful Evil Rakshasa. Male, 6'1 and 210lbs, red and gold fur, dark green eyes. 340 years old.

Str 12
Dex 14
Con 20
Int 18
Wis 14
Cha 46

Speed: 40

HP 236
AC 31
SR 43

Feats
Skill Focus (Spellcraft)
Spell Focus (Enchant)
Spell Focus (Evocation)
Leadership
Dimensional Jaunt [reserve]
Still Spell
Divine Vigor
Epic Leadership

Saves
Fort 33
Ref 30
Will 34

SKILLS (ranks+modifier+other=total)
Hide 8+2=10
Move Silently 8+2=10
Search 8+4=12
Spot 16+2=18
Sense Motive 26+2=28
Spellcraft 26+4+2 synergy=32
Bluff 26+18+4 racial(+8 if reading mind)=48
Listen 10+2=12
Perform 10+18=28
Knowledge: Planes 26+4=30
Knowledge: Arcane 26+4=30
Diplomacy 26+18+4 synergy=48

Equipment
Cloak of Epic Charisma +12
Gate Key
Staff of Power
Amulet of Natural Armor +5
Tome of Leadership and Influince +5 (used)
Robe of the Archmagi
Handy Haversack
Luck Blade (three wishes left!)
Force Shield Ring
Ring of Mind Shielding

SPELLS
lvl0, 6/day, Known - Detect Magic, Read Magic, Ghost Sound, Prestidigitation, Message, Arcane Mark, Ray of Frost, Amanuesis*, Caltrops*
lvl1, 11/day, Known - True Strike, Endure Elements, Feather Fall, Ray of Enfeeblement, Comprehend Languages
lvl2, 11/day, Known - Eagles Splendor, Knock, Invisibility, Scorching Ray, See Invisibility
lvl3, 10/day, Known - Fireball, Fly, Protection from Elements, Displacement
lvl4, 10/day, Known - Assay Spell Resistance*, Leomund's Secure Shelter, Ice Storm, Force Missiles*, Voice of the Dragon*
lvl5, 10/day, Known - Telekinesis, Cone of Cold, Sending, Contact Other Plane
lvl6, 8/day, Known - Analyze Dweomer, Greater Dispel Magic, Tensor's Transformation, Contengency (standard: Tensor's Transformation to activate when Body of War is cast)
lvl7, 7/day, Known - Brain Spider*, Body of War*, Synostodweomer*, Greater Teleport
lvl8, 8/day, Known - Polymorph Any Object, Moment of Prescience, Horrid Wilting
lvl9, 8/day, Known - Summon Elemental Monolith*, Wish, Energy Drain

* denotes that the spell can be found in the Spell Compendium



GORASHIK (advanced noble salamander cohort)


Str 30
Dex 11
Con 22
Int 16
Wis 15
Cha 15

284hp
AC32
Huge size
BaB/Grapple +23/+41

Fort 19
Ref 13
Will 15

additional feats: weapon focus (longspear), improved critial

+5 Axiomatic Huge Longspear +37/+32/+27/+22/+17
3d6+1d8Fire+20 crit:19-20, x3 (vs. Chaotic +2d6)
Tail Slap +31/+26/+21/+16/+11
3d8+1d8Fire+5 crit:20, x2
(More to come!)

Nephtys - I'm not using the SRD for the same reason as PDF's, but if you type out the domain I'll tell you if it's acceptable.

Pallandrome - Looking good, I'm already seeing tension between the Paladin and the Blackguard .. Also, you may want to reconsider the Staff of Planar Might on the grounds that none of its abilities will function on the Prime.. You can't summon outsiders b/c they've been banished, you can't gate anything in, and gating out will take you back to the Observatory.
Likewise, the Gatekey will function ON the Prime if you attune new keys to it, but not going from in to out or out to in.


BTW, The reason I'm ok with Dragons (PC's or mounts, etc) is b/c I'm basing this campaign off an old world I've Played in, and there were a lot of draconic interactions.. Dragon PCs, Dragon mounts, Dragon allies, Dragon badguys, etc, etc.. The campaign world involved a lot of dragons, and I'm comfortable with that.
As for a Draconic mount for a level 30 paladin.. I'ld prefer not to use the "Special Cohorts" thing from the ELH.. You'ld be getting the equivalent of an Ancient Green dragon(CR 21, 32 HD), which is better than a Dragon PC could play if we ignored LA completely!

SO.. here's how I'm going to do it. We'll go off Silver's, Red's, and Gold's for the sake of simplicity.
Silver Dragon: as PC - Mature Adult, 25HD, +5 LA.
As Cohort - Adult, 22 HD. (Requires Epic Leadership)
As Paladin Special Mount - Young Adult, 20HD. Requires 20,000GP donation to the dragon's hoard (But no extra feat required). Gains Paladin Special Mount abilities 10 levels slower(Requires 10 lvls in paladin).

Red Dragon: as PC - Adult, 24HD, +6 LA.
As Cohort - Adult, 22 HD. (Requires Epic Leadership).
As Fiendish Servant(Blackguard) - Young Adult, 20 HD. Requires 20,000 GP Donation to the dragon's haord (But no extra feat required). Gains Blackguard Fiendish Servant abilities 10 levels slower (Requires 10 levels in Blackguard).

Gold Dragon: As PC -Adult, 23HD, +7 LA.
As Cohort - Young Adult, 20HD. (Requires Epic Leadership)
As Paladin Special Mount - Young Adult, 18HD. Requires 20,000GP donation to the dragon's hoard (But no extra feat required). Gains Paladin Special Mount abilities 10 levels slower. (Requires 10 lvls in paladin).

Draconomicon Feat(slightly altered): Dragon Cohort - When you take a Draconic Cohort (Or Mount/Servant), It gains 2 HD.

If you take your Draconic Cohort AND Special mount as the same, they follow all the cohort rules, plus they gain your paladin(blackguard) special mount/servant abilities with no level penalty.


I will not be further penalizing dragons after the start based on 'size increases' or aging. Your LA reains static, and whenever you level up, you can choose to gain either a class level/prestige class level, or a Dragon Hit Die and all the associated benefits. If you reach enough HD to 'age up', then your dragon is reaching maturity faster than usual. Same goes for Cohorts, although Special Mounts/Fiendish Servants must take Dragon Hit Dice, not classes or prestige classes.

I like Dragons.

...I have to do that you know, Jemal. I must...

Silver dragon. I can even roll that in some with the weather mage...focus on weather type spells for the caster levels.

Oh, and I'm assuming it's okay (though possibly not recommended) to take fewer dragon HD in exchange for class levels?

I'm interested in joining. Character concept coming shortly......

Ohh, I was thinking only epic level beings were banned from entering the prime. Fair enough though, I'll get back to you with another nifty staff

EDIT:Also, does this mean that summon monster spells do not work? BTW, I added a ring of mindshielding. It wouldn't do to overly bother our Paladin friend about such things now would it?

Oh oh, another pesky question!

*pesk pesk*

Can a dragon take Leadership and buy a "rider" cohort? Regular character who will sit on my back and be my buddy? Assuming I do, and take Epic Leadership besides, what's the max ECL of the cohort...assuming the Leadership bonus is more or less egregiously high?

2 less than my HD for ECL 23?

Or 2 less than my ECL, for ECL 28?

Is it okay to be either a human Wizard 1/ Beguiler 1/ Human Paragon 3/ Ultimate Magus 20/ Archmage 5 or a kobold Sorceror 1/ Wizard 4/ Ultimate Magus 20/ Master Specialist 4 using the Races of Dragon book?

OK, I'm gonna put a hold on new submissions now.. THose that have expressed interest, congrats. Others, feel free to say "Damn I wish someone would start ANOTHER epic game so I could play" (That way maybe I can play too)..

So far the list of players and 'most probably PC concept posted yet is...
*Shayuri - Silver Dragon
*Pallandrom - Evil Blackguard/Archmage (Interplanar Arms Dealer/Info Broker)
*Ivellious - Dragonriding Paladin.
*Tailspinner - Half-Dragon (Blue)/Half-Ogre Fighter
Avalon - Ultimate Magus
VoidRazor - mellee (self-buff) Cleric
Darimaus - Bard using Words of Creation
Rhun - Gish or Wizard.
Nephtys - Insane Cleric.


The ones with Stars are the character Concepts I'ld really like to include so far. The others are still good, otherwise I would've said "no" by now, it's just that those first 3 fit so well with how I'm envisioning the campaign. Also, Halfdragon/Half Ogre? TS is in.
SO, Tailspinner, Shayuri, Pallandrom, and Ivellious are in the finals, and there's.. hmm.. 5 others.. Wasn't planning on running for 9.. Well, I'll take 2 or 3 of you.. Don't complete your full character yet, as Rhun said that's a fair bit of work, but DO post up some bit more background so we can figure out which ones would make for the most interesting, playable campaign.

Now for question answers:

Avalon - Sure, but I WON'T be using the 'kobold aging with dragon age category' rules.

Pallandrom - No prob on the ring or a new staff. Summoning 'works', as long as you don't summon something that breaks the ban (Epic or Outsider)... so it works a little..
You could summon dragons.. or elementals.. or badgers..

Shayuri - Yes, and just use the chart to figure out his level.. If your Level (Which I always assume for PC's to be ECL) + Cha mod is high enough, he'ld be lvl 28 (your Level-2)
As for exchanging HD for class levels - You may do so but your Dragon HD has to even you out to base HD for your age category at start. (IE for Silver - Adult would mean 22 Dragon HD, Young Adult means 19HD,etc). Also, your LA would stay at +5.


HHMMM... Am I seeing 2 Dragonriders and a Half dragon Epic fighter? Better hope people don't mistake you for the badguys.

Jemal said:

Pallandrom - No prob on the ring or a new staff. Summoning 'works', as long as you don't summon something that breaks the ban (Epic or Outsider)... so it works a little..
You could summon dragons.. or elementals.. or badgers..

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Excellent. 1d4+1 collosal feindish centipedes, here we come!

HHMMM... Am I seeing 2 Dragonriders and a Half dragon Epic fighter? Better hope people don't mistake you for the badguys.

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Uhhh, yeah, cause we are totally not bad guys, nope not us!

>.>

<.<

>.>

Also, am I the only one among us who looks even REMOTELY normal? Not that I mind, I mean, I've got a massive charisma for a reason and everything, I'm just curious.

pallandrome said:

Also, am I the only one among us who looks even REMOTELY normal?

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What do you mean by, "NORMAL"????