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Friday, 5th October, 2007, 01:10 PM #31
There is a 1968 Sci-Fi movie called "Green Slime" that was certainly the basis for Gygax's green slime.
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Friday, 5th October, 2007, 03:25 PM #32
Minor Trickster (Lvl 4)
The D&D lich comes from the character Afgorkon in Gardner Fox's "Kothar" stories -- see this old post in which I quote that character's first appearance.
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Friday, 5th October, 2007, 05:11 PM #33
The Great Druid (Lvl 17)
I think that you can cross the Su-Monster off your list as well, as I believe it was derived from a Patagonian cryptid. Tough to find information on now, but http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/chupa-1951/ carries a small reference. I've seen woodcuts of the "Su" in a Daniel Cohen book, and they look alot like the 1e rendition.
EDIT: Another reference: http://books.google.com/books?id=oKh...ZzU6-k#PPP1,M1
And here's a picture on a T-Shirt: http://www.cafepress.com/scryptoart.102552833
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Friday, 5th October, 2007, 05:23 PM #34
Ancient Red Dragon (Lvl 30)
All of the monsters in question are unique to AD&D, and as I wrote virtually all of their stats and descriptions they are in fact my creative products, not the IP of WotC. That's a FWIW.
While a few of the critters in questions are purely products of my own imagination--carrion crawler, gelatinous cube, roper for instance--there were many sources of inspiration for the majority of the monsters, and I will name a few:
Drow: A listing in the Funk & Wagnall's Unexpurgated Dictionary, and no other source at all. I wanted a most unusual race as the main power in the Underdark, so used the reference to "dark elves" from the dictionary to create the Drow. (And nary a one has crow's feet).
Troll: "The Three Billygoats Gruff" where the Great Ugly Troll has a nose as long as a poker and Three Hearts & Three Lions most assuredly.
Ogre Magi: General Raiko and the Ogres of O-E-Yama, a beautifully illustrated children's book translated into English from Japanese.
Shambling Mound: Strictly from "The Heap" in Airboy Comics, of which I was a great fan.
Displacer Beast: From A.E. van Voght's Voyage of the Space Beagle.
Kuo-Toa: These were not inspired by any particular literary source but made up out of whole cloth by me.
Bugbear: The name comes from folklore, but the remainder is my creation. When I told the artist that it had "like a pumnpkin" he took it literally rather than as figurative for a large, oval head.
Lich: Right on in regards to Gardner Fox. Gar and his wife Linda were friends of mine.
If anyone reading this thresd has specific questions I'll be happy to answer them.
Friday, 5th October, 2007, 05:40 PM #35
Gallant (Lvl 3)
oh, me! me! me!Originally Posted by Col_Pladoh
gary, what about the dragons?
i mena, what about the diferent colors (and a "personality" to each color)?
Friday, 5th October, 2007, 06:18 PM #36
Ancient Red Dragon (Lvl 30)
Originally Posted by rossik
One always read about dragons of various hues beside the standare red sort, and the illustrations of European and certainly Oriental dragons showed greemn blue, etc. ones. So to liven up the species I tried to come up with a breath weapon that matched the color. thus blue dragons spat lightning, green ones clouds of chlorine gas, black ones acid, and white drakes icey cold. I didn't do any other colors because those attack forms covered the gamut of what malign dragons would have for such attack I thought. The metallic Oriental ones being benign in most part according to their mythology rated the doiferent sorts of breath weapons I dreamed up for them.
Friday, 5th October, 2007, 07:10 PM #37
Hello, GaryOriginally Posted by Col_Pladoh
Can I please ask you about some other AD&D creatures? I'm particularly curious to know if gnomes in the game were inspired, at least in part, by the character called Hugi from Three Hearts and Three Lions. I know that Anderson calls him a "dwarf" at one point but it seems that in several other ways the character has an uncanny resemblance to the AD&D gnome.
Also, were the AD&D swanmay and nixie inspired by Three Hearts and Three Lions?
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Friday, 5th October, 2007, 07:33 PM #38
Ancient Red Dragon (Lvl 30)
Howdy Zander,Originally Posted by Zander
When I was a lad there was a cast iron doorstop in the house. It was a gnome...and it scared the daylights out of me. that's where I got the physical description of the AD&D gnome--enlarged doorstop As i really liked Three Hearts and Three Lions, I might well have been subconsciously influenced by Hugi from that story, but I was not consciously thinking of that character. The fact is that it was tough to make gnomes distinct from dwarves, as the gnomes were supposedly elemental earth creatures found in mines, and I didn't want to make them like Rumpledstiltskin (sp?) even though I was thinking of fairy tale tyoes when I wrote the entry.
The nixies in Three Hearts and Three Lions were indeed a partial inspiration for those in the game, as were kelpies. The same is true for the swanmay--a mix of Anderson's take and the folklore/fairytale swan maidens.
The fact is that I have read so much mythology, folklore, fairytales, and authored fiction with monsters and all manner of strange folk and creatures that it is hard to pin down exactly where a good number of the A/D&D monsters got their inspiration.
I notes some comments regarding the su monster. As a matter of fact I do not recall if that is a critter I devised or another gamer passed along for me to include in the MM. I do know that the sources cited in the post were quite unknown to me.
Friday, 5th October, 2007, 08:59 PM #39
Waghalter (Lvl 7)
With regards to the sahuagin, how are they not the Sea Devils from Dr Who?
Friday, 5th October, 2007, 09:11 PM #40
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
Thanks a lot Gary for dropping in and giving us some insightful answers.Originally Posted by Col_Pladoh
In OD&D there is a monster table listing a "Thoul" with 7 hit dice but no description until the Basic D&D set (Moldavay version IIRC). Was the Thoul a typo? Or a monster that got cut from the original rules?
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