Gygaxian Monsters

kenobi65 · Oct 8, 2007

Col_Pladoh said:
Those are great illustrations of goblinesque little fairy folk. Had I had that picture on hand when kobolds were put into the MM, that's is what I'd have passed along to DCSIII.

So, it would seem that the entire "kobolds thinking they're of the blood of dragons" can be traced back to a miscommunication in an art order in the late 1970s.

rossik · Oct 8, 2007

kenobi65 said:
So, it would seem that the entire "kobolds thinking they're of the blood of dragons" can be traced back to a miscommunication in an art order in the late 1970s.

i thoght that the dragon relation was a 3ed thing, wasnt it?

Raven Crowking · Oct 8, 2007

rossik said:
i thoght that the dragon relation was a 3ed thing, wasnt it?

Yes.

After all, that half-dragon template has to get used for something. :lol:

JeffB · Oct 8, 2007

Col_Pladoh said:
Those are great illustrations of goblinesque little fairy folk. Had I had that picture on hand when kobolds were put into the MM, that's is what I'd have passed along to DCSIII.

Thanks,
Gary

Well I've always enjoyed David's "incorrect" picture, and there's a nice take on it by Jeff Dee somewhere in one of the old 1E books I used to own (Rogues Gallery, IIRC) that is my fave "little dog/reptile men" kobold.

That said, I've always liked the "folklore" aesthetic approach to many monsters (as in your LA game e.g.), and I'd have no issue with Kobolds having looked like that illo throughout D&D's history.

Col_Pladoh · Oct 8, 2007

kenobi65 said:
So, it would seem that the entire "kobolds thinking they're of the blood of dragons" can be traced back to a miscommunication in an art order in the late 1970s.

Or more likely someone trying to change them for the sake of change.

Kobolds as originally concieved were based on folklore as noted...dragons' kin indeed

Cheerio,
Gary

Col_Pladoh · Oct 8, 2007

JeffB said:
Well I've always enjoyed David's "incorrect" picture, and there's a nice take on it by Jeff Dee somewhere in one of the old 1E books I used to own (Rogues Gallery, IIRC) that is my fave "little dog/reptile men" kobold.

That said, I've always liked the "folklore" aesthetic approach to many monsters (as in your LA game e.g.), and I'd have no issue with Kobolds having looked like that illo throughout D&D's history.

Who can argue with personal preference? All GMs change whatever doesn't suit them in rules, settings, and modules :lol:

Cheerio,
Gary

Thanael · Oct 10, 2007

Here's a great resource on the Origin of D&D monsters: http://rpg.crg4.com/origins.html

rossik · Oct 10, 2007

dyx said:
Here's a great resource on the Origin of D&D monsters: http://rpg.crg4.com/origins.html

oh, just saw my dragon question...sorry for asking again, gary! :heh:

Col_Pladoh · Oct 10, 2007

rossik said:
oh, just saw my dragon question...sorry for asking again, gary!

Not a problem at all.

I forget answering as easily as you forgert asking :uhoh:

Cheerio,
Gary

John Q. Mayhem · Oct 13, 2007

Col_Pladoh said:
I confess it was my decision to give them wings. It was to make them more mobile and thus more dangerous.

Cheers,
Gary

I like 'em winged, too. By the by, there're winged manticores in The Guns of Avalon, second book in Zelazny's Chronicles of Amber, from the 70s. Have you ever read those books? They're fantastic, lots of fascinating stuff.