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Monday, 31st December, 2007, 10:06 AM #1
Novice (Lvl 1)
lorraine williams (includes opinions from Gygax et al)
maybe it's the lingering christmas spirit, but... i've always found a bit sad that lorraine williams's name is *so* reviled by the general D&D community. if there is one thing that unites D&D gamers of all editions is that lorraine williams is a hag, a bitch, an evil person.
gygax said less than nice things about her. other people commented on her disdain on gamers and game designers. there are simply too many hints about a bad side of her personality to wonder for even a minute whether or not she's a kind of mother theresa of the RPG community, who somewhat was a victim of the circumstances leading to the fall of TSR.
on the other hand, i can't remember which game designer told the tale of how he was still getting money from TSR when he was doing no work because of his wife illness.
... and then ... well, i'm sorry, but i loved TSR. i loved the 2nd edition of the game. i loved having dozens of published settings. sure, many mistakes were done. sure, especially after the mid 90s the stuff i bought increasingly seemed somewhat less exciting.
for all the shortcomings of mrs. williams's personality, her TSR hosted some of the most talented designers in the industry. everyone has their favourites, but few companies out there can boast names like David Cook, Monte Cook, Bill Slaviscek, Skip Williams, Aaron Allston, just to cite a few.
the sheer amount of ideas that were put out for the D&D and AD&D game during that time are simply incredible: you have dark sun, ravenloft, mystara, planescape, al qadim, and many more different takes on what a fantasy role playing game might be.
of course, some of the business choices of TSR were just stupid and hostile (a couple of lawsuits come to mind...). of course, her nasty side is what people like to remember, because it's easy to say: "that moneygrabber bitch ran the company into oblivion" and because history is made by the winners. and, of course, many were angered because the company was not going far enough with changes and with allowing an internet community to develop.
but don't you think that all the aggro attatched to her figure is a bit too much?
if she really was the horrible person and short sighted manager that everyone likes to spit on, how comes that LOADS of gamers were thrilled and excited about the games produced by her company?(unless otherwise specified, the above post does not reflect my personal opinion, but a universal law of the universe. if you happen to disagree, you are welcomed to move to the next dimension. faithfully, spell)
Monday, 31st December, 2007, 10:48 AM #2Originally Posted by Spell
Monday, 31st December, 2007, 03:39 PM #3
Hydra (Lvl 25)
Wednesday, 2nd January, 2008, 06:42 PM #4Originally Posted by Umbran
Wednesday, 2nd January, 2008, 07:24 PM #5
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
Originally Posted by RobbastardWolfspider
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Wednesday, 2nd January, 2008, 08:47 PM #6
Hydra (Lvl 25)
Originally Posted by Robbastard
Dude, I didn't take it personally. As a moderator, it is part of my job.
You apparently did not read The Rules, as I suggested, or you'd know that you're not supposed to discuss things like this in-thread. Go, read the rules, and if you have further questions or comments, take them to e-mail with one of the mods. Our addresses are available in a post stickied to the top of the Meta forum.
Monday, 31st December, 2007, 10:53 AM #7
Myrmidon (Lvl 10)
Originally Posted by Spell
Monday, 31st December, 2007, 11:09 AM #8
Novice (Lvl 1)
sure, but... i hate to do this, but i have to cite it: palladium.
kevin siembieda seems to be at least as difficult as lorraine williams. and there have been recounts of game designers leaving the company because they couldn't cope with mr. siembieda anymore, with fans stopping buying because the systems are in need of a revamp that palladium is not prepared to do, and so on.
tsr never seemed to have such a bad name. sure, some people moaned about the moneymaking attitude... but there are people moaning today about Wotc for that same reason! you get them all the time!
to put it in another way: i don't think that a company that many people were so fond off could have been run by someone that was really just a bad person.(unless otherwise specified, the above post does not reflect my personal opinion, but a universal law of the universe. if you happen to disagree, you are welcomed to move to the next dimension. faithfully, spell)
Monday, 31st December, 2007, 01:16 PM #9
Defender (Lvl 8)
She doesn't bother me at all. I'm sure a lot of the decisions that D&D players hated back then stem from her but its all water under the bridge. D&D is still going strong, perhaps stronger than back then (Ok, so its a direction that I don't agree with, but...) so why worry about it. Theres no need to hate and despise someone who hasn't been on the scene for so many many years.I'm not asking for characters to be lawful stupid. I want characters who care, who want to be heroes, aren't scared of doing the right thing, and players who try to help make the campaign more heroic.
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Monday, 31st December, 2007, 05:35 PM #10
Guide (Lvl 11)
Originally Posted by Spell"I'd say it's more appropriate to say that videogames are RPG-ish, wouldn't you?"
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