About Death and Resurrection
Raith5
Adventurer
I thought the discussion about resurrection was about the availability of resurrection spells not about the mechanical consequences of dying. That is, being raised form dead is rare in heroic campaigns, possible in paragon campaigns and common in epic campaigns (i think the idea that death is speedbump" was thrown around).
Edit: discussion here http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=216702
Edit: discussion here http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=216702
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A'koss said:
From Worlds and Monsters*, page 14
Death Matters Differently: It is generally harder to die than in previous editions, particularly at low level. When a heroic tier character dies, the player creates a new character. A paragon PC can come back from the dead at a significant cost. For epic tier characters, death is a speedbump.
EDIT: Dammit! Beaten by John Snow!
Doug McCrae
Legend
It's not a huge change from 3e as low level PCs either didn't have enough money to pay the 5500gp required for raise dead or would be unwilling to use up so many resources. Likewise for high level 3e characters death was also a speedbump as they could easily afford true resurrection.
A'koss
Explorer
One of the biggest things I'd hoped for in 4e is that they would make it harder to die, but much harder to come back (if at all). I think they hit just the right note on the heroic and paragon tiers, but anytime I hear that death is treated as a "speed bump", at any level, I start to wince.JohnSnow said:
Death should not be a speed bump, it takes away something from the game if you're effectively immortal and can just hit the restart button and carry on. I hope there are effective (and not too esoteric) ways to keep people dead - PCs and NPCs alike.
I was more excited about the new philosophy on resurrection in 4e than just about anything else. Not only is death more permanent at the heroic tier, but resurrection is no longer just a spell and a financial transaction. It will be harder for characters to die, but death will be more meaningful. If the rules no longer assume that characters will be constantly dying and coming back (I got better!), I will be a happy little camper - and I hate camping!
The second concept change that got me excited was that gods are now more distant, not involved in the PCs lives in such a direct fashion as was assumed in 3e.
Basically, everything on ppg 13-14 on Worlds and Monsters is all good IMO.
The second concept change that got me excited was that gods are now more distant, not involved in the PCs lives in such a direct fashion as was assumed in 3e.
Basically, everything on ppg 13-14 on Worlds and Monsters is all good IMO.
Lanefan
Victoria Rules
This one doesn't excite me in the least...I like the idea of gods interfering in peoples' lives a la Xena-Hercules. But, trivially easy to play either way if so desired.kennew142 said:
I also disagree with the statement in W+M that NPC's good or evil don't come back to life unless the DM has a good reason. I say they should come back to life if it makes sense in character that they would do so...in other words, if the opportunity, wealth, and time allows and the desire to come back is there, then back they come. Again, trivially easy to do one's own thing here.
Lanefan
