[ooc] - Dogville - a bloody 3.5 game [5/5]

Redclaw · Mar 30, 2008

I made a few changes to his description to fit the Varisian mold, as I had really pictured him that way at first and had since forgotten.

How much of the Pathfinder rules are you planning to use? Should I be using their skill selection system instead? Are the feats going to be PHB or Pathfinder?

doghead · Mar 30, 2008

recruiting - s&b

Use whichever you prefer. I'm using, so far at least, the PHB stuff, 'cos that's what I know. Later I may incorporate some of the Pathfinder stuff, if I get the time to read the material more closely.

doghead
aka thotd

Redclaw · Mar 30, 2008

There's such a big difference that once again I think we should have the discussion as a group. I would get a +2 bonus to an ability of my choice, and it combines a few skills, so I would be adding some extras. The dodge and mobility feat are significantly changed as well. I put both versions of Ather on my previous posts so you can see the differences.

So, what do the rest of you think? Should we be playtesting Paizo's new 3.5.2, or stick to WOTC's 3.5?

Walking Dad · Mar 30, 2008

Paizo has currently only 5 classes. I would prefer staying "classic".

Redclaw · Mar 30, 2008

Walking Dad said:
Paizo has currently only 5 classes. I would prefer staying "classic".

That's not how I read it. It says those are the classes they've adjusted to keep them even with the newer classes. It's supposedly designed to be fully usable with existing 3.5 material.
These two quotes from the document suggest that other classes are acceptable.

The following modifications are designed to balance the
player character classes. These powers and abilities replace
those found in the 3.5 rule set.

Table 5–1: First Level Skill Choices
Class Skill Choices
Barbarian 4 + Int modifier
Bard 6 + Int modifier
Cleric 2 + Int modifier
Druid 4 + Int modifier
Fighter 2 + Int modifier
Monk 4 + Int modifier
Paladin 2 + Int modifier
Ranger 6 + Int modifier
Rogue 8 + Int modifier
Sorcerer 2 + Int modifier
Wizard 2 + Int modifier

Gyojin · Mar 30, 2008

[sblock=Character Sheet]
Name: Alton Magbrew
Class: Evoker
Race: Halfling
Size: Small
Gender: Male
Alignment: Chaotic Good

Str: 10 (+0)
Dex: 14 (+2)
Con: 15 (+2)
Int: 16 (+3)
Wis: 12 (+1)
Cha: 10 (+0)
Level: 2nd
BAB: +1
CMB: +0
Speed: 20 ft
Init: +2
ACP: 0
HP: 20
Spell Save: 13 + level of spell

AC: 13 (+1 Size, +2 Dex) Touch: 12 Flat-Footed: 11

Fort: +3 (+2 Con, +0 Base, +1 Other)
Ref: +3 (+2 Dex, +0 Base, +1 Other)
Will: +5 (+1 Wis, +3 Base, +1 Other)

Weapons: Sling +4 (1d3, 20 sling bullets) 50 ft
Club +1 (1d4)

Languages: Common, Halfling, Draconic, Abyssal, Elven

Abilities: Fearless (+1 on saves vs. fear), Keen Senses (+2 on sound and taste based Perception checks), Sure Footed (+2 on Acrobatics and Climb checks)
Arcane Bond (ring), Resistance of 5 to a chosen element each day, +1 to damage for an Evocation spell, Fire Ray (Su) 1d6 +1 fire damage ray as standard action, Magic Missile (Sp) 1/day

Feats: Scribe Scroll, Maximize Spell

Skills:
Spellcraft +8 (3 + 3 Int + 2 level)
Stealth +9 (2 Dex + 4 size + 3 level)
Knowledge (Dungeoneering) +8 (3 + 3 Int + 2 level)
Use Magic Device +3 (0 Cha + 3 level)
Appraise +8 (3 + 3 Int + 2 level)

[sblock=Magic]
Spells Known: (Barred schools are Divination and Abjuration)

Cantrips- All except those of barred schools
1st level- Magic Missile, Feather Fall, Expeditious Retreat, Shocking Grasp, Silent Image, Ray of Enfeeblement, Sleep, Mage Armor

Spells Per Day: Cantrips- 4
1st- 3
[/sblock]

[sblock=Equipment]
Equipment Worn/Sheathed [Weight]:
Scholar’s Outfit (free) [0]
Sling [0]
Sling bullets (20) [10]
Club [3]
Backpack [1/4]
Ring (bonded) [0]

Equipment (in Backpack) [Weight]:
Spellbook [3]
Waterskin [1]
Sunrod x2 [2]
Trail Rations x2 [1/2]
Wand of Detect Magic [0]
Thunderstone [1]

Total Weight Carried: 19 ¾ lbs.

Money: 368 gp, 8 sp

Carrying Capacity:
Light: 33 or less
Medium: 34-66
Heavy: 67-100
[/sblock]

Age: 28
Eyes: Green
Hair: Light Brown
Height: 3’ 3’’
Weight: 29 lbs
Skin: Slightly Pale
[/sblock]

Walking Dad · Mar 30, 2008

Redclaw said:
That's not how I read it. It says those are the classes they've adjusted to keep them even with the newer classes. It's supposedly designed to be fully usable with existing 3.5 material.
These two quotes from the document suggest that other classes are acceptable.

They can only "update"/power up the SRD classes. Other classes than cleric, fighter, rogue and wizard will be avaiable in a couple of weeks. You got only their skill lists so far.

You can update other classes with their examples, but that won't be easy.

Redclaw · Mar 30, 2008

They have the skill chart, detailing which are class or cross-class for all of the core classes. The others I think we can extrapolate from that. I would say the Crusader's class skills would be:
Acrobatics (Balance and Jump or on their 3.5 list)
Craft
Diplomacy
Intimidate
Knowledge (History)
Knowledge (Religion)
Martial Lore
Ride

Concentration is lost, but it could probably be added back in with no problems. It really didn't take that long to figure out. Other issues might be a bit trickier, but I still think the changes are to make fighter, rogue, cleric and wizard a bit closer in power to the Bo9S classes and others such as warlocks.

Walking Dad · Mar 30, 2008

Redclaw said:
They have the skill chart, detailing which are class or cross-class for all of the core classes. The others I think we can extrapolate from that. I would say the Crusader's class skills would be:
Acrobatics (Balance and Jump or on their 3.5 list)
Craft
Diplomacy
Intimidate
Knowledge (History)
Knowledge (Religion)
Martial Lore
Ride

Concentration is lost, but it could probably be added back in with no problems. It really didn't take that long to figure out. Other issues might be a bit trickier, but I still think the changes are to make fighter, rogue, cleric and wizard a bit closer in power to the Bo9S classes and others such as warlocks.

Yes, skills shouldn't be the biggest problem.
BTW: I don't think, that the Bo9S classes or the warlock are more powerful than cleric/druid or wizard/sorcerer.

Other topic: I will not play a crusader (4e will be close enough and his recharge mechanic isn't good for PbP) but something more in the world background: shoanti shaman.

Built as:

Spirit Shaman (Complete Divine)

or druid (extrapolating from pathfinder material)

or cleric (faking a shaman using animal and air domain; patfinder rules)

Deuce Traveler · Mar 30, 2008

My character:

[sblock]
Sergeant Brottor Broddok

Male Dwarf, Hill; Fighter Level 2
HP 38; AL LG; Init +0; Spd 20
AC:18 (Flatfooted:18 Touch:10)
Atk +5 base melee, +2 base ranged
+2 (1d8, Crossbow, light)
+7 (1d8+3, Longsword, Masterwork)
+5 (1d4+3, Dagger)
SQ: +1 Attack vs. Orcs and Goblinoids
+2 Saves vs. Poison
+2 Saves vs. Spells and Spell-like Effects
+4 Dodge Bonus to AC vs. Giants
Darkvision (Ex): 60 ft.
SV Fort +6, Ref +0, Will +0

STR 16
DEX 10
CON 16
INT 8
WIS 10
CHA 10

Skills: Craft (Weaponsmithing) +1, Intimidate +2, Profession (Miner) +2, Ride +1
Feats: Cleave, Power Attack, Weapon Focus: Longsword

Weapons:
Longsword, Masterwork (315 gp)
Crossbow, light (35 gp)
Bolts, crossbow (20) (2 gp)
Dagger (2 gp)

Armor:
Banded mail, Masterwork (400 gp), Shield, heavy steel (20 gp)

Goods:
Trail Rations: 6; Backpack; Silk Rope (50 ft.); Sack; Waterskin (full); Oil (pint): 4; Lantern, hooded; Bedroll; Winter Blanket; 1 gp, 9sp
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