Extra Cohort Feat?
Shin Okada
Explorer
krupintupple said:
Well, IMHO there maybe two things you would better put in your mind before allowing it.
1. It depends on each DMs if he actually organize followers, too.
In many playgroup, only the cohort is used and followers are ignored or just used abstractly. And, reading various "special cohort" type feat such as Dragon Cohort, many of the writers in WotC are also forgetting about the very existence of followers, or at least thinking followers to be just a background fluff.
2. There is Improved Cohort feat in Heroes of Battle.
This is a feat which allow a PC to gain a level higher cohort. So basically, +1 level cohort is thought to be worth 2 feats.
Shin Okada
Explorer
Nifft said:
No, what I am saying is that the RAW does not prevent you from taking the same feat twice or more, regardless of if it has any meaning.
At least, it is untrue that a character can't has same feat twice or more. It depends on each feats if that has any meaning or not. And cohorts and followers are neither bonuses nor modifications and thus, beyond stacking rule.
Nifft
Penguin Herder
You can have a feat twice without taking a feat twice. Ranger virtual feats, for example, are thus specified to overlap with (and not stack with) real feats. So you could not take the Archery path, the feats Point Blank Shot and Rapid shot, and then expect the effects to grant you two extra attacks.Shin Okada said:
The word used in your quote is "benefit", not "bonus" or "modification". A Cohort's service most certainly is a benefit of the Leadership feat.Shin Okada said:
By your own reasoning, even if you were allowed to take Leadership twice (which I do not concede), you'd get the benefit of Leadership once.
Cheers, -- N
Shin Okada
Explorer
Nifft said:
That is not related at all to this topic. The point is, there seems to be no rule text which says a character CANNOT take the same feat twice.
But the PHB version of Leadership feat is a little bit different from SRD one. The "special" line does not describe the effect fully and says,
And DMG says a character can have more than 1 cohorts.
Leadership feat is, indeed, a very special feat which should not be just selected and allowed. But if a DM (and other players) think it to be appropriate, there is no harm letting a PC take Leadership feat twice and get 2 cohorts (and more followers).
No where does it state (PHB or DMG) that you must take another feat to gain those elusive additional cohorts... right?Shin Okada said:
True
False.
The only things addressed specificaly in relation to "stacking" are "Stacking effects" (as in spells and "stacking bonuses" (as in well bonus types and suc).
Stacking benefits are not specifically addressed but the the "stacking" is handled in these two specifics allows a way of seeing what the meaning of the term in D&D is, or you (The generic you not the specific one) could just try to look it up in a dictionary.
The meaning is clear in regard to feats:
The way stacking is meant in D&D based on the two specific examples (PHB and DMG) are that they do not provide a cumulative benefit.
Leadership provides 1 cohort - that is its main benefit (not counting followers).
Taking it twice does not provide a cumulative benefit - that is you do not receive 2 cohorts.
The fact that under feats it says " In general having the feat twice is the same as having it once" basically sums it up to emphasize that the effects (or benefits) are not cumulative unless it says otherwise in a specific feat's description.
Shin Okada
Explorer
irdeggman said:
But DMG actually says a character can have multiple cohort.
Maybe, strictly by RAW, Drowbane's interpretation is the right answer. Actually, the leadership feat (DMG P.106) does not strictly says that a PC can attract "one" cohort. And DMG P.104 says "There are no limitations to the number of cohort who can be employed by a character."
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