D&D 4E 4e Aquatic Beasties?

Aeolius · May 25, 2008

I recall seeing concept art for the 4e kuo-toa, but has anything else been posted, regarding the role of liquid space and the denizens therein, in 4e?

duke_Qa · May 25, 2008

Not a big fan of games beneath water myself. Amphibians are acceptable since you can meet them on land or in areas where they can use shallow water tactically... but i would hate to see WotC spend large amount of the MM on water-races that won't see alot of action.

there are two things i would hope to see: kraken and sirens. after that i don't know how useful they would be.

Hellzon · May 25, 2008

Really hazy memory here, but there was a post by a dev that hinted that underwater rules were going in the DMG II. Kind of hints that there won't be purley underwater creatures in the MM, too.

Aeolius · May 25, 2008

Hellzon said:
Really hazy memory here, but there was a post by a dev that hinted that underwater rules were going in the DMG II

THIS thread, perhaps?

WotC_Logan said:
I read this post and thought, Man, that is weird. I talked to James about it and he says he'll make it happen for the first MM after we have robust aquatic rules (DMG2 maybe? No promises!).

Hellzon · May 25, 2008

That's the one. Thanks, now I know I'm not hallucinating.

Saitou · May 26, 2008

Hellzon said:
That's the one. Thanks, now I know I'm not hallucinating.

Are you sure?

On topic though, who uses subaquatic creatures? Yeah yeah, dire sharks are cool and all, but I thought the whole rules baggage of being underwater killed the mood for everyone back in 3.5.

Kunimatyu · May 26, 2008

I'm okay with the true aquatics waiting until a later MM/DMG to show up -- they're rarely used, and hard to make miniatures for.

Amphibious creatures, like sahaugin, kuo-toa, chuul, and aboleth are a different story, and I hope we see plenty of them.

I still really want to see a Kraken of some kind, but I'm not sure exactly how best to make it work -- perhaps individual tentacles on Medium or Large bases? You could also have a "maw" that the tentacles pull the target over to to devour them.

In fact, I bet a Kraken would be best handled with the trap rules, come to think of it...

boolean · May 26, 2008

Kunimatyu said:
Amphibious creatures, like sahaugin, kuo-toa, chuul, and aboleth are a different story, and I hope we see plenty of them.

We've already got confirmation on the Chuul. (It was one of the preview pages displayed at DDXP, IIRC.)

Saitou · May 26, 2008

Kunimatyu said:
In fact, I bet a Kraken would be best handled with the trap rules, come to think of it...

This...... this is genius.

Aeolius · May 26, 2008

Saitou said:
...who uses subaquatic creatures? Yeah yeah, dire sharks are cool and all, but I thought the whole rules baggage of being underwater killed the mood for everyone back in 3.5.

Not everyone