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Sunday, 8th June, 2008, 02:14 AM #21
This is why I'm not buying into the "sold out print run" bit just yet. Yes, plenty of stores have bought the books, but this does not equate to customer sales. I even see that Amazon has all the core books, just not the gift set available. So is it that people only want the gift set and only want the Amazon price, because otherwise they aren't that hard to find.
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Sunday, 8th June, 2008, 02:19 AM #22
The Great Druid (Lvl 17)
Games of Berkeley has them, but also apparently had a line of people out the door waiting for the midnight release.
Sunday, 8th June, 2008, 02:44 AM #23
Defender (Lvl 8)
I would say no one screwed up; estimating level of demand is at best an educated crapshoot for any company. Almost every year at Christmas something happens to make one item The Hot Toy, and a few days after that happens you can't find them for love nor money. There's no way of predicting whether or not you'll be The Hot Toy and if you over-produce and guess wrong then you're stuck with warehouses full of unsellable merchandise.Originally Posted by Wisdom Penalty
Sunday, 8th June, 2008, 04:32 AM #24
Scout (Lvl 6)
Those numbers are sales of a single print run, not total sales.Originally Posted by jensun
I would honestly be surprised if more 3.5 PHBs sold than 3.0 PHBs.
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Sunday, 8th June, 2008, 04:38 AM #25
Magsman (Lvl 14)
What exactly is the "sold out print run" bit?Originally Posted by Imaro
Sunday, 8th June, 2008, 05:19 AM #26
Minor Trickster (Lvl 4)
Me too. I can't imagine 3.5 sold more than 3E. Larger initial print runs, sure, but 3E was the Daddy of those two. IMO. YMMV. Sorry for any offense this opinion causes.Originally Posted by Psion
Sunday, 8th June, 2008, 05:23 AM #27
Grandmaster of Flowers (Lvl 18)
Speculation based on this.Originally Posted by Fifth Element
In truth it means wizards printed X number of books which WoTC sold to their distributors. The distributors then sold all those books to every store they deal with that are interesting in selling 4e. It's unknown what percentage of those books have or have not truly been sold to the public.
Last edited by Relique du Madde; Sunday, 8th June, 2008 at 05:36 AM.
Sunday, 8th June, 2008, 05:23 AM #28
Magsman (Lvl 14)
That indicates the size of initial print runs, not total number printed. Of course they've been increaseing in size. 3e was a gamble to ressurect an almost dead game line. by the time 3.5 rolled around 3.0 had been a smash success for 4 years and had reinvigorated the entire RPG industry. 4e is building on that plus another 4 years and it's a pretty easy bet that most of their existing customer base is going to at least have a look at 4e.Originally Posted by ThirdWizard
Now as to what the total number of printed copies were for 3.0 and 3.5, we don't have the foggiest but you can bet it was a damm site more than the initial print run of 4e and this second batch put together.
I'd love to see those numbers but WotC is pretty close-mouthed about numbers.
Sunday, 8th June, 2008, 02:25 PM #29
This...Originally Posted by Fifth Element
And the fact that I have seen posters on this board and others use this as evidence that 4e is "outselling" (or even the 1st print run is outselling) 3.0 and 3.5. The funny thing is this just isn't a valid statement with the information presented. There are people claiming the books are sold out at Amazon, when they are not...the $50+ gift set is the only thing sold out. There are also gift sets at higher than Amazon and Buy.com's prices...but people would rather wait until Amazon gets some more in. I just feel it's being overblown a bit at this early stage.Originally Posted by Relique du Madde
Sunday, 8th June, 2008, 02:38 PM #30
Magsman (Lvl 14)
Mine wasn't. According to the Amazon/DHL tracking system, it has left Kentucky, entered Ohio, and then left Ohio again. I'm guessing it's currently on a plane across the ocean.Originally Posted by Dragonblade