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Wednesday, 27th August, 2008, 09:52 PM #171
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
I think that if we do the template properly we can cut down on the input work. So someone puts in their dex mod and it pops out in the initiative math section and skills and so forth...
One entry lots of outputs. I can't probably look at it this week through...
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Wednesday, 27th August, 2008, 10:16 PM #172
Defender (Lvl 8)
Frankly, if I'm going to write software that complex to hold character sheet information, I'd much rather do it as an honest web app in Ruby on Rails or something. Now that would be a fun weekend project, in my copious free time...
Wednesday, 27th August, 2008, 11:28 PM #173
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
I'm not a coder but isn't dex immunatbly tied to skills?
or is it strict one-to-one (one field can only link to a single other field)
obciously there are sections like the totals and the feats that would be hand input... But if there isnt a one-to-one limit ans we do it correctly you'd only have to hand input information once.
a super high tech solution is sorta good but its a lot of time and you might find yourself overlapping with the character builder...
(wizards having designated a space for themselves always gives me pause...)
Friday, 29th August, 2008, 08:52 AM #174
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
So here are the current poll results
Economics - Easy -- only for equipmentGold given out during adventures is only used to buy magic items magic items and adventuring equipment. All other expenses are part of roleplaying.
You buy someone a beer? You just rp it.
One character has a nice house? You can go there to visit, but they "can't sell it for magic items".
So if a DM says "your total gp for the adventure is 4000 gp" that's what you have to spend on equipment, items, etc for your next adventure. Your characters probably got some extra amount of gold that they spent on expenses during and after the adventure but that's just hand-waved.
edit: A player can of course "
waste/spend money" on things if they like (tithing to a church, spending 100 gp for wine, etc) but that would be a player choice and the player would explicitly state that they were doing so OOC
Magic items (1 normal is sorta winning) however the "write in suggestion #5" from Ere13 has garnered an impressive "4 write-ins".
There will be a poll launched in the next 48 hours (when I get some time) betweenMagic Items - Normal Every magic item you get is dealt with just like in the core books (someone keeps it, or it's turned into ressidium or what have you)andMethod 5 - Post Adventuring plus balancing.*= Since the DMG says that you get 3 items of level +1, level, level-1 and gp = level -1 I assume that's the system we're referring too right?
In this method the only balancing done is the bring characters up to the math required for the system to work. We use the system in the DMG* to advance the items already in the player's possession if they are behind the curve. So a character with a +1 wand at the end of an adventure who by the system should have at least a +2 weapon/implement at that level automatically has the wand increase in power. All other magic items are handed out at DM whim based on the treasure packet system, including plus based items. This system has less impact on verisimilitude and metagaming, but it is still present; especially in the case of players metagaming treasure splits and taking non-plus items because they know that their measly lower level plus item will automatically be increased afterwards.
Question: What do we do if someone has more items than the DMG, but wants to "junk" them and pick new items...?
If you have another option you want considered post here or in the original thread with your suggestion.
XP for time (collective advancement)
Characters who adventure get enough xp to level every 12 levels, provided your character is in an adventure. I'd wanted to use ooc points cause it seemed simpler but that's been voted against so instead we will use the following formula.
On the last day of each month any character who was in an adventure during said month will receive xp equal to [amount required to advance to next level from current level]/12.
Anybody have any opinions about what happens when characters level? Do we have insta-leveling (complete with ding sound), or what?
It looks like a DM will receive
- enough "credits" to level a character every six months
- every additional adventure that they run grants equal credits, so if you run 3 adventures in a month you get three times the credits
- these credits will be recived and usable upon the completion of the adventure
- with Ere13's compromise proposal on equality the equality question is split 50/50
Please note: Since the original OOC points poll chose: no limits... there are... no limits on spending xp.
It doesn't seem unlikely to me that we'll have a character or two run by DMs who are 2nd level within 6 months of launch, and we'll probably have two tiers of chracters within a year or so (once the first round of adventures have ended) with a clump multiple-adventure-running-DMs with characters at 3rd level or so.
Covaithe will ulitmately interpret the transitive isles poll, but right now there are 6 votes for 1 vote against (halford) and 1 vote I'm not sure about (renau1g, since he seems to be supporting halford, but I'm not sure, really...)
We're fairly close to launch we need to address the following issues
major issues (stuff that prevents launch)
- getting the character template completed
- balancing regional bonuses (I'm still maintaining they should be weak)
- decision on kickers, hooks and attainments
- (setting up an explanation of how to submit adventures) - how necessary?
- anything else?
minor issues (should be done but we probably won't die)
- proofreading the wiki
- getting Binder Fred and Dunamin's contributions onto the wiki
- languages (I've sorta redone it... I think the best solution is just to say "everyone speaks Allarian" period)
- naming proximate isles/near lands something more flavorful (once we launch I think we're a bit stuck... but I can't think of better names)
Personally for adventures I'd like to see the following process
- A one paragraph summary sent to the judges address [l4w.judges at g m @ i l]
- Judges feed back with either "go ahead" or "needs adjustment to match setting" or "conflicts with another adventure" or "have you thought about this issue" or whatever
- Adventure submission including attainments (if we have them), projected encounter breakdowns, etc
For the judges I think we should aim to provide a responce within 72 hours that includes thoughts of all the judges.
I -can't- do anything else until monday.
So I'll start taking this stuff on then.
Last edited by Graf; Friday, 29th August, 2008 at 08:58 AM.
Friday, 29th August, 2008, 01:55 PM #175
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
If not, I’d recommend using the Daunton versions as universal base instead, but I think that may just be a personal preference based on less familiarity with Roman versions of the gods.
Friday, 29th August, 2008, 03:06 PM #176
Defender (Lvl 8)
Friday, 29th August, 2008, 04:04 PM #177
Waghalter (Lvl 7)
I wouldn't worry overmuch about the Imperium names. Unless you're planning an Imperium character, you'll probably be using the names the gods are known by in your culture. The Imperium names are currently used a baseline pretty much just because they were the first version proposed. I frankly see the Dauntonian versions getting more actual use.
Friday, 29th August, 2008, 10:14 PM #178
Not quite, I'm referring to the table on pg. 225 of the PHB (reproduced below) that says all items are +x for specific ranges. I don't remember where (an article on Wizards.com I'd bet) Mike Mearls (or one of the other developers) said that you could just use that table to assign mechanical bonuses at the appropriate level and never hand out a single magic item and the math would work.Originally Posted by Graf
Code:Item Level Enhancement Bonus 1–5 +1 6–10 +2 11–15 +3 16–20 +4 21–25 +5 26–30 +6
Saturday, 30th August, 2008, 05:56 AM #179
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
The names on the wiki need to be changed to the Dauntonian names...
It wasn't possible for me to do that until recently because there were -only- the imperium names.
I worked with what I had and I haven't had time to go change them once Gary deployed the Dauntonian verisions (on which I think he's done an excellent job).
Please go ahead and switch any Imperium god names you see in the TI proposal to the Dauntonian ones. I don't have time to do that right now but think it should be done (and it was always the intent).
We can also rearrange the "gods position on the table" if people like.
As to actually dumping the Imperium names.... honestly?
I think the names strike a perfect balance between "reflecting the fact that they're inspired by the names" but not just being "so I worship Zeus".
No matter what someone will like a given name, or whatever, and someone else will hate it. I'm loath to re-write a perfectly good section that a lot of thought went into (and which I confess to personally liking).
I remember that too. Your chart will be a lot easier to manage; clear, simple, easy.
Saturday, 30th August, 2008, 11:04 AM #180
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
I find serving Persephone having a strong impact on me, while serving Proserphones makes me giggle. Both the Greek and Nordic pantheon are used with their original names to fine effect in the Order of the Stick, Planescape, and many other settings – familiar faces used in a fantasy context makes for a very interesting style, in my opinion.
Still, using Daunton as the common base and Imperial as alternative works for me.
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