Our First Game -- What some non-RPG fans Learned that they want to share!
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BradfordFerguson
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cool stuff *bumpity*
Mistwell
Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
Now that the Downloads portion of EnWorld is back up and working, these should be put in that section. It would be nice to see both the mats and the Grandpa cards in the downloads section.
http://www.enworld.org/forum/local_links.php
http://www.enworld.org/forum/local_links.php
grickherder
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Well, I took the ideas in this thread back to my group. They didn't really catch on. Many of them still insist on doing the math for each attack bonus every time they roll the die and don't want to pre calculate everything on a play mat and cards because it's "too much work" or "I don't want to do all that math." All I can do is chuckle as they do the math over and over every time they attack instead of doing it once.
Bodhiwolff
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Sorry to hear that the ideas didn't catch on.
I think that one of the reasons they caught on with my players is that the mats and cards were a fait accompli. When the players walked in, everything was pre-done for them. Of course, it took me an hour ahead of time, doing up cards and mats for everybody, but I'm happy I did.
As for people sitting and doing the math again and again each turn, yet balking at the idea of doing it all at once at the beginning of the day ... sadly, that's just part of human nature.
My wife worked as a Six Sigma specialist (a Master Black Belt for those in the know) so she basically worked with streamlining processes and procedures which sometimes people had been doing the same way for decades without re-examining them. She would run into that mindset each and every day. You can even explain to people, showing them on a stopwatch, that they've spent 3 or 4 times more the actual time necessary, over and over, doing the process over and over again during the day, but they'll simply argue that having it spread out over the day makes it *seem* less like a chore.
... and then they'll do it again for the next work day, and the next (or the next gaming session, and the next ...)
My only advice?
Try doing it for them, ahead of time. Present them with everything all filled out. Then put the character sheets away (another big thing is to remove the temptation to fiddle). Sure, it is more work for you, but it might sell the point, and make things go more smoothly.
And once they're sold, then they're willing to do it for themselves when they level up, and the numbers change.
I think that one of the reasons they caught on with my players is that the mats and cards were a fait accompli. When the players walked in, everything was pre-done for them. Of course, it took me an hour ahead of time, doing up cards and mats for everybody, but I'm happy I did.
As for people sitting and doing the math again and again each turn, yet balking at the idea of doing it all at once at the beginning of the day ... sadly, that's just part of human nature.
My wife worked as a Six Sigma specialist (a Master Black Belt for those in the know) so she basically worked with streamlining processes and procedures which sometimes people had been doing the same way for decades without re-examining them. She would run into that mindset each and every day. You can even explain to people, showing them on a stopwatch, that they've spent 3 or 4 times more the actual time necessary, over and over, doing the process over and over again during the day, but they'll simply argue that having it spread out over the day makes it *seem* less like a chore.
... and then they'll do it again for the next work day, and the next (or the next gaming session, and the next ...)
My only advice?
Try doing it for them, ahead of time. Present them with everything all filled out. Then put the character sheets away (another big thing is to remove the temptation to fiddle). Sure, it is more work for you, but it might sell the point, and make things go more smoothly.
And once they're sold, then they're willing to do it for themselves when they level up, and the numbers change.
Metaphorazine
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I'd love a copy too, metaphorazine at gmail dot com. I'm in a similar situation to the OP, except no-one has played D&D before, not even me. 
Still, we ran the first two encounters of Shadowfell last week, and had a good time, but everyone had trouble finding stuff on the sheets, so...
Still, we ran the first two encounters of Shadowfell last week, and had a good time, but everyone had trouble finding stuff on the sheets, so... Well me and my friends get together regularly for this stuff, I do like the ideas you all have throwing around. I plan on printing up these sheets and giving them a go. We already do play a bit of card games and have a stash of minatures so using tokens and such shouldn't be odd for us.
About the whole wet/erase, I can try laminating the sheets, see how that works.
About the whole wet/erase, I can try laminating the sheets, see how that works.
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