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    help me build a bard

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    8

    i want a bard who wont be useless in combat but still have alot of options in out of combat situations. as a near full time DM ive never been able to sit down and play a bard so any advice on good feats and what equipment i should use are also helpful. a prestige class that is very bardish would be cool if you know any.

    also only WOTC books
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexoanvil View Post
    my stats are
    18
    16
    14
    12
    10
    8

    i want a bard who wont be useless in combat but still have alot of options in out of combat situations. as a near full time DM ive never been able to sit down and play a bard so any advice on good feats and what equipment i should use are also helpful. a prestige class that is very bardish would be cool if you know any.
    Snowflake Wardance from its Cold Outside (Frostburn) will let you add Cha to Hit. It costs Bardic Music uses but worth it.
    That alone will let you be okay in combat if you get it.

    Other than that, what weapons are you okay with? Spiked chain too much or okay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck_II View Post
    Snowflake Wardance from its Cold Outside (Frostburn) will let you add Cha to Hit. It costs Bardic Music uses but worth it.
    That alone will let you be okay in combat if you get it.

    Other than that, what weapons are you okay with? Spiked chain too much or okay?
    you feel the feat investment for spiked chain with bard would be worth it?
    other wise something more simple for wep would be better if its comparable.

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    Whip and Whip dagger (shared proficiency, bard effectively gets both) are very useful weapons for a Bard, and can work nicely for a disarm or trip build.

    The only REQUIRED bard feat, if available, is Song of the Heart from the Eberron Campaign Setting. Haunting Melody, same book, is pretty cool, too.

    For equipment, look to Magic Item Compendium. A crystal echoblade is a longsword that adds half your bard level to damage while your bardic music is playing. A +1 market price enhancement you could put on that or a whip is harmonizing. It picks up your bardic music after you stop performing it and carries it for 10 (?) rounds longer.

    If you really want to focus on melee, there's two cool bard options. One is a CWarrior prestige class that gives cool new songs and full BAB, the Warchanter. Ask the DM to let the levels stack for the peuposes of inspire courage, which I think at the time of printing still didn't scale with Bard level. It's a requirement for the class, so it's a reasonable request. The other is multiclassing with Crusader or Warblade (Tome of Battle) and taking Song of the White Raven. It's a useful multiclassing feat, and lets you start inspire courage as a swift action if in a White Raven stance.

    There's lots of useful spells, the most useful being Inspirational Boost (Spell Compendium) for +1 to your current inspire courage use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StreamOfTheSky View Post
    Whip and Whip dagger (shared proficiency, bard effectively gets both) are very useful weapons for a Bard, and can work nicely for a disarm or trip build.

    The only REQUIRED bard feat, if available, is Song of the Heart from the Eberron Campaign Setting. Haunting Melody, same book, is pretty cool, too.

    For equipment, look to Magic Item Compendium. A crystal echoblade is a longsword that adds half your bard level to damage while your bardic music is playing. A +1 market price enhancement you could put on that or a whip is harmonizing. It picks up your bardic music after you stop performing it and carries it for 10 (?) rounds longer.

    If you really want to focus on melee, there's two cool bard options. One is a CWarrior prestige class that gives cool new songs and full BAB, the Warchanter. Ask the DM to let the levels stack for the peuposes of inspire courage, which I think at the time of printing still didn't scale with Bard level. It's a requirement for the class, so it's a reasonable request. The other is multiclassing with Crusader or Warblade (Tome of Battle) and taking Song of the White Raven. It's a useful multiclassing feat, and lets you start inspire courage as a swift action if in a White Raven stance.

    There's lots of useful spells, the most useful being Inspirational Boost (Spell Compendium) for +1 to your current inspire courage use.
    i like alot of your ideas would it be to much trouble to ask for you to list what i should do lvs 1-6(more if you have time to kill)? while im the 5th member of our group i dont want to punish my friends for playing a class im not very great at. im thinking about going long sword and whip as my main weps.

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    If I don't fall asleep first, sure. But first I'd need to know what books/sources are open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexoanvil View Post
    my stats are
    18
    16
    14
    12
    10
    8

    i want a bard who wont be useless in combat but still have alot of options in out of combat situations. as a near full time DM ive never been able to sit down and play a bard so any advice on good feats and what equipment i should use are also helpful. a prestige class that is very bardish would be cool if you know any.

    also only WOTC books
    You know, it'd be helpful if you said something other than "I want to be effective." Seriously, it's just polite to tell people what you want when you're telling them to spend their time building your character. I can build a dragonfire TWF blender Song of the White Raven bard with 9th level maneuvers, or a gold standard buffer with 9th level spells and war weaver benefits, or something else altogether, but that's all useless if I don't know what the hell you want to accomplish. "Very bardish" tells us absolutely nothing. "Useful" tells us absolutely nothing. You need to actually provide a concept and some image of what the hell you want your character to be other than "good" and "bard." You need to put forth at least a minimum of effort yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWinged4ngel View Post
    You know, it'd be helpful if you said something other than "I want to be effective." Seriously, it's just polite to tell people what you want when you're telling them to spend their time building your character. I can build a dragonfire TWF blender Song of the White Raven bard with 9th level maneuvers, or a gold standard buffer with 9th level spells and war weaver benefits, or something else altogether, but that's all useless if I don't know what the hell you want to accomplish. "Very bardish" tells us absolutely nothing. "Useful" tells us absolutely nothing. You need to actually provide a concept and some image of what the hell you want your character to be other than "good" and "bard." You need to put forth at least a minimum of effort yourself.
    i belive my original request was some cool feats and equipment for the reason i have no idea to start, considering i rarely get to be a PC. infact the first few posts did just that recomended several feats and weapon choices and we later went into more detail because the concept seemed really cool. infact the only post on this thread that hasnt been helpful to someone is yours.

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    Well, some more info would have been nice. All I had to work on was assuming some generally useful melee bard, without even being sure that's what you want.

    And if you've been DM up until now, have you never built classed NPC opponents? The process is exactly the same, it shouldn't be a difficult transition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StreamOfTheSky View Post
    Well, some more info would have been nice. All I had to work on was assuming some generally useful melee bard, without even being sure that's what you want.

    And if you've been DM up until now, have you never built classed NPC opponents? The process is exactly the same, it shouldn't be a difficult transition.
    fair enough but i rarley use statted out npc's unless i plan to use them for awhile which is not often. and there is a considerable difference of stating out an npc and understand how to manipulate a classes mechanics to something on par with my munchkin teamates. only time ive ever seen a bard in action was when my girlfriend would play one and while she did loads of cool stuff in town and around the dungeon the second combat came around she was nowhere near in league with her party, i didnt want a repeat of that. i probly could have given more info on what i wanted but ill be honest i didnt know were to start. if this were a class i knew very well i would have very little problem telling you guys what i need, also if this were an npc i would probly care alot less given the time ill be playing a npc might be a few min, where this character i plan to play for close to a year so i wanted it done the right way. but in all honesty i came here originally for a quick starting point of what people in the past have found to work well. and i got some stellar posts from people of what looks like solid advice.
    so anyone who even sudgested a feat or two thank you alot your advice it has been fantastic.

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