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    Creative combat objectives (other than "kill 'em all")

    In another thread, someone mentioned how, from a miniatures-gaming perspective, 4E lacks some of the tactical nuance of other, more focused miniatures-games. I, myself, have noticed that the whole "roll for initiative, kill em' all" style of combat encounter in getting very stale.

    I starting thinking about some of my favorite miniatures games, and how they often used different "scenarios" with varying objectives. Each combat encounter has unique victory conditions, and “kill 'em all” is not always an available option. I've got some ideas; but I'd like to see if anyone else has any they'd like to add. In particular, I'd like to know what you guys think ought to be the XP reward for these scenarios other than monsters killed. Also, if you have any ideas, I'd like to hear them and compile a list.

    The first one listed here is one I actually used in play (the party was surrounded by zombies in a town square) and turned out to be an absolute blast. Because of the number of enemies, I ended up using pennies to represent minions.

    Scenario: Breakout
    Objective: The party is encircled by a horde of enemies. To escape, they must reach an objective (an exit, a door, a magic portal) on the battle mat.
    Setup: The party begins in the middle of the mat. Depending on the setting there may be obstacles (buildings, trees, rocks) and rough terrain. The encounter begins with the players surrounded by 40-50 minions of comparable level to the party. There are minions between the party and the objective.
    In Play: Minions slain by the party return to their initial entry point at the beginning of the next round. Minions will keep coming until the party is either dead or has escaped.
    Ancillary Skill Checks: Terrain and obstacles should force Acrobatics (moderate) checks if double-moving. Otherwise players must make Athletics checks (easy) to overcome said obstacles.

    Scenario: VIP Escort
    Objective: The party must ensure that a helpless VIP (a merchant, a courier, an injured nobleman) reaches an objective on the other side of the battle mat.
    Setup: The party begins surrounding the VIP on the opposite side of the battle mat from the objective. The mat should be covered in obstacles and cover for assassins to hide in (a town with streets and alleys is perfect for this). The encounter starts with 10 lurker minions and a non-minion leader (controller or artillery) hidden among the obstacles. The VIP has artillery monster stats, but with no attacks. Unlike monsters, the VIP obeys PC rules for death and dying, so if he falls he can be revived.
    In Play: The VIP only moves 5 squares and cannot double-move (he is either injured or encumbered). If attacked, he will stop and cower, and will not move until intimidated to move forward. Slain assassin minions and ringleaders return to new starting points when slain, and will not stop until either the VIP is dead, or the VIP escapes. Assassins will try to avoid the PC's as must as possible to get straight at the VIP.
    Ancillary Skill Checks: When the VIP cowers, the PC's must make an Intimidate check (easy) to get him moving forward again. Perception checks (against monster stealth rolls) determine if the PC's get early warning of attack. Players can identify likely ambush areas with a hard check in the appropriate skill (Streetwise in the city, Nature in the woods, Dungeoneering in a dungeon).

    Scenario: Last Stand
    Objective: The players must hold a defensive position (a building, a palisade, a section of castle wall) against a horde of enemy minions for 10 rounds (until activation of a super-weapon, until extraction, until a group of refugees has time to escape).
    Setup: The party begins inside the defensive position, with 20-25 enemy minions at the edge of the map. At the front is a non-minion ringleader (controller or artillery). The defensive position should be such that party members are (or can be) in an elevated position and have cover bonuses.
    In Play: The ringleader will lead the minions only as far as just outside a move away from the defenders, from which position he will spur on the minions. If the ringleader dies, all minions are demoralized, and may only take standard actions on their turn until a new ringleader shows up. At the end of the enemies' turn, fallen enemies (including the ringleader) are replaced at the edge of the map.
    Ancillary Skill Checks: Athletics checks are useful if minions are scaling defenses with ladders. A hard check will push ladders off the walls and stun the climbing minions for a turn.

    Scenario: King of the Hill
    Objective: Last Stand with a twist: players must first assault the defensive position and wrest control of it from enemies before they defend it.
    Setup: The party begins at the edge of the map. The defensive position is occupied by 5-7 non-minion enemies, which are not yet aware of the PC's presence.
    In Play: At the first sign of attack, the defenders call out for backup (thus setting the stage for the Last Stand portion of the encounter). Other than that, this is a pretty straight-forward combat encounter. If players elect to damage the defenses during the course of the assault, the difficulty of the second part of the encounter will increase.
    Ancillary Skill Checks: Stealth will be essential, as will be Athletics (for scaling defenses).

    Scenario: Capture the Flag
    Objective: The players must capture the enemy “flag” while defending their own. The encounter ends when one individual (PC or NPC) has both “flags” (two parts to a powerful relic, the Hand and Eye of Vecna, the Cosmic Key from the Dolf Lundgren motion picture “Masters of the Universe” and One-Eyed Willie's sheet music from “Goonies”).
    Setup: Both sides (the players and the enemies) have fortifications on opposite sides of the battle mat (forts, dives in the slums, open mausoleums in a graveyard). There can be as many or as few obstacles as the DM desires. The enemies have 4-5 non-minions defending their flag, and 10 minions outside. The players have the aid of 5 friendly minions who will obey the PC's instructions. Whoever is holding a flag is magically, supernaturally, or psychically aware of where the other flag is. There is a problem: the flag is bulky and impedes the holder. The flag-bearer may only take a standard action. To compensate, the players may elect to give a minion the flag; it's a tactical decision on their own part.
    In Play: The enemies will leave 1 non-minion with the defending minions and the flag. The other non-minions will take a circuitous route to the PC's base to steal their flag. At the beginning of each round, replacements for all NPC's (including friendly minions) arrive at the edge of the mat.
    Ancillary Skill Checks: If any players choose to stay and defend the base, they will need to make Perception rolls against stealthy attackers.

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    Scenario: Spaced Invaders
    Objective: The players are forming a thin (but porous) line of defense against single-minded invaders whose only intention is get past them. The players must stop them. They can be plague-bearing zombies heading towards town, wounded enemy couriers on a battlefield trying to get a request for reinforcements out, or cultists of Orcus trying to throw themselves into a black abyss for some terrible ritual.
    Setup: Divide the mat in half. The players can be anywhere on the side of the mat to which the invaders are streaming. The players should be made aware that they will need maximum coverage and mobility.
    In Play: There are 20-30 minions who trickle in at the far end of the mat and move unswervingly to the other side. Now because they are either wounded, undead, or encumbered, they only take standard actions. They will prefer flight to fight, but will stop and fight if directly prevented from moving forward. At the beginning of each turn, roll a 1d4. This is the number of enemies that appear that round. For each enemy minion, randomly roll to see which edge square they start at.
    Ancillary Skill Checks: Perhaps allow Perception roles, and allow players to discover, one round ahead of time, where new enemy minions will appear.

    Scenario: Whack-A-Mole
    Objective: The players must scramble to different objectives on the map to stop enemy machinations. The enemy only needs to complete one of their objectives; the players must stop all of them. Once an enemy objective is activated, the players are on a time-limit to stop it. This can be evil cultists setting up idols to enslave a whole town, an enemy defensive battery trying to set up magical trebuchets to sink a refugee boat, or goblins in a forest trying to set up bon-fires to burn the forest down.
    Setup: The map is covered in obstacles, and there are 5 enemy emplacements. Each emplacement is guarded by up to 6 minions, and one non-minion. By random die roll, select one to be "activating", and inform the players (placed on the far side of the mat) that they have 5 rounds to stop the completion of the enemy objective.
    In Play: Every 3 rounds, randomly activate another emplacement. The urgency factor will increase dramatically, and the party may decide they need to split up.
    Ancillary Skill Checks: Allow perception or insight checks to allow players to predict which emplacement will activate next. Place obstacles that require the use of Athletics or Acrobatics checks to overcome.

    Scenario: Assassination
    Objective: The opposite of VIP Escort. In this scenario, the enemy is trying to protect the party's target, and get him to a safe area. The party's job is to stop him from getting there. This can be a murderous crime lord moving from one safe house to another, a deposed tyrant fleeing to escape to his waiting army, or a courier rushing to give the uber-archvillain the pass-phrase to the Book of Vile Darkness.
    Setup: The enemy has dispatched three parties. One has the real VIP, and the others are escorting a minion look-alike. The VIP has artillery monster stats (but no attacks). Like in the VIP Escort scenario, the VIP will cower when attacked. Each VIP is surrounded by 4 non-minions. In addition, there are at least 10 minion patrolling the board.
    In Play: Slain minions are replaced at the end of the enemies' turn at the edge of the mat. As in the VIP Escort scenario, the VIP is hindered and can only make a standard action each round, and moves 5 squares.
    Ancillary Skills: Insight and Perception are the key skills here for noticing doppelgangers. A hard check will spot the deception before engagement.
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    This is what I love about ENWorld, little random treasures like this. Very cool scenarios. I stole all of them for future use.


    (Sorry I don't have anything to add. I'm not as creative in encounter design as most people here on ENWorld, that's why I copy stuff like this.)

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    Wow. I opened this thread hoping for an interesting discussion and instead I got a wealth of ideas just waiting to shake up my encounter planning. Bravo sir.

    Dare I suggest writing a proposal for Dragon or the like?

    The "respawning" minion elements remind me of one of my favourite LOTR miniatures game scenarios..
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    I think an important part of making combat more interesting is making enemies more than just hate-crazed death machines. If you play every enemy as a kill-bot who 1. has no concern for his teammates, and 2. is only interested in killing the particular PC directly in front of them regardless of the cost (they will fight to the death), you are going to produce slug-fests with little tactical movement (few if any OAs either) and predictable outcomes.

    Monsters/NPCs probably have feelings...they may be over-confident, and dismissive, or cowardly and timid. They may be more interested in theft than slaughter. They probably also have bonds with the other monsters/npcs in the encounter. They may act to protect leaders or friends. They may display emotional outbursts at the death/dropping of a teammate. Evil != mindless slaughter.

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    Great ideas. It is important to have varied combat, since the most important part of the game is made up of combat.

    Also, as it is suggested in the King of the Hill scenario, an encounter can be a succession of sub-encounters, of which each goal is something else than wiping out the opposing force.

    For example, a party might need to do a break-out to storm out of a particular area and cross a rope bridge, on the other side of which they must make a Last Stand against the horde chasing them while they destroy the bridge.

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    Scenario: Spaced Invaders
    Objective: The players are forming a thin (but porous) line of defense against single-minded invaders whose only intention is get past them. The players must stop them. They can be plague-bearing zombies heading towards town, wounded enemy couriers on a battlefield trying to get a request for reinforcements out, or cultists of Orcus trying to throw themselves into a black abyss for some terrible ritual.
    Setup: Divide the mat in half. The players can be anywhere on the side of the mat to which the invaders are streaming. The players should be made aware that they will need maximum coverage and mobility.
    In Play: There are 20-30 minions who trickle in at the far end of the mat and move unswervingly to the other side. Now because they are either wounded, undead, or encumbered, they only take standard actions. They will prefer flight to fight, but will stop and fight if directly prevented from moving forward. At the beginning of each turn, roll a 1d4. This is the number of enemies that appear that round. For each enemy minion, randomly roll to see which edge square they start at.
    Ancillary Skills: Perhaps allow Perception roles, and allow players to discover, one round ahead of time, where new enemy minions will appear.

    EDIT: As I create more, I'll add to the OP.
    Last edited by Halivar; Wednesday, 24th September, 2008 at 01:49 AM.

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    I like that these don't necessarily have to be Minis-combat centric. All of these are more than yank-able for any kind of battle in any kind of system. Indeed, they're all well-worn combats that it'll be cool to see any PC react against, just because "kill 'em all!" is so deeply instinctive for the game.

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    The old video game Vandal Hearts had one of my favorite combat scenarios...some cultists have set up evil idols in a town that make the residents into homicidal zombies minions. You had to clear out the statues and cultists without harming any of the villagers, who were unfortunately trying to kill you.
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    Scenario: Tag and Release
    Objective: Players must incapacitate or grapple several creatures in order to tag them, give something to them, or take something off of them. Creatures are a mixture of aggressive and cowardly--some fight, some flee. If the children of the town have become berserker ghouls until inoculated with the Shaman's rare herbs, then players must capture rather than kill.
    Set up: Players start in the middle of the mat with their targets in a random spread all around.
    In Play: The Aggressives move in right away, making it more likely that the cowards will get away unless the party splits its focus.
    Ancillary Skills: An Intimidate check could make some of them stand still (or maybe run harder)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ppaladin123 View Post
    The old video game Vagrant story had one of my favorite combat scenarios...some cultists have set up evil idols in a town that make the residents into homicidal zombies minions. You had to clear out the statues and cultists without harming any of the villagers, who were unfortunately trying to kill you.
    ppaladin123, you get credit for this idea: I think it's awesome.

    Scenario: Whack-A-Mole
    Objective: The players must scramble to different objectives on the map to stop enemy machinations. The enemy only needs to complete one of their objectives; the players must stop all of them. Once an enemy objective is activated, the players are on a time-limit to stop it. This can be evil cultists setting up idols to enslave a whole town, an enemy defensive battery trying to set up magical trebuchets to sink a refugee boat, or goblins in a forest trying to set up bon-fires to burn the forest down.
    Setup: The map is covered in obstacles, and there are 5 enemy emplacements. Each emplacement is guarded by up to 6 minions, and one non-minion. By random die roll, select one to be "activating", and inform the players (placed on the far side of the mat) that they have 5 rounds to stop the completion of the enemy objective.
    In Play: Every 3 rounds, randomly activate another emplacement. The urgency factor will increase dramatically, and the party may decide they need to split up.
    Ancillary Skills: Allow perception or insight checks to allow players to predict which emplacement will activate next. Place obstacles that require the use of Athletics or Acrobatics checks to overcome.

    My D&D Class:
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    My Robin Law's Game Style:
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