Critical Hit with Sneak Attack / Hunter's Quarry

LostInTheMists · Dec 12, 2008

Does anyone know if Sneak Attack or Hunter's Quarry dice max out on a critical hit? My gut instinct tells me they don't, but their description lists them simply as "extra damage" done by the attack, and the critical hit section only explicitly mentions dice from magic items.

Thanks!

Ashimaar Extorris · Dec 12, 2008

Only weapon damage dice, i.e. [W], are maxed. High crit effects, sneak attack, hunter's quarry, and similar effects are rolled and added on to the max [W] damage.

Nail · Dec 12, 2008

Ashimaar Extorris said:
Only weapon damage dice, i.e. [W], are maxed. High crit effects, sneak attack, hunter's quarry, and similar effects are rolled and added on to the max [W] damage.

Nope.

If the hit is a critical (that is, you roll a natural 20 and if your total attack roll is high enough to hit your target’s defense), you "determine the maximum damage you can roll with your attack." That includes sneak attack, hunter's quary, warlock's curse, etc. This is unlike 3.xe, in which those things weren't included.

The only dice you roll for damage on a critical are those from special powers, like a magical weapon or implement.

Again: You most definitely "max" your sneak attack damage.

abyssaldeath · Dec 12, 2008

Ashimaar Extorris said:
Only weapon damage dice, i.e. [W], are maxed. High crit effects, sneak attack, hunter's quarry, and similar effects are rolled and added on to the max [W] damage.

nope,

Any damage that would would normally roll on a hit get maximized. The only damage that doesn't get maximized is extra dice that are the result of a critical hit. Example: High crit, extra damage from magic weapon/implements or similar effects.

Nail · Dec 12, 2008

BTW, if you need some RAW text try PH page 278.

Gruns · Dec 12, 2008

Yes they are maxxed.

Ashimaar Extorris said:
Only weapon damage dice, i.e. [W], are maxed. High crit effects, sneak attack, hunter's quarry, and similar effects are rolled and added on to the max [W] damage.

Wrong... Sneak Attack, Hunter's Quarry(and Warlock's Curse) ARE maxxed on a crit. All damage is EXCEPT for the extra damage that happens only due to the hit being a crit. For example, most magic weapons deal an "extra 1d6 per plus" on a crit. And High Crit weapons deal an extra [1W] on a crit. These two things are not maxxed, because they are specifically tied to the hit being a crit. Make sense?
Later
Gruns

Oni · Dec 12, 2008

I believe this is clarified in the FAQ on WotC's website if you want a somewhat official answer.

Nail · Dec 12, 2008

Nail said:
Nope.

abyssaldeath said:
nope

Gruns said:
Wrong...

Oni said:
I believe this is clarified in the FAQ on WotC's website if you want a somewhat official answer.

avin said:
Nope,

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avin · Dec 12, 2008

Nope,

well, you should know by now

Ashimaar Extorris · Dec 12, 2008

My bad. My group hasn't made the the full transition to 4e yet, most of the games we've been playing have been either 3.5 or Pathfinder. Last time we played 4e was back in August or September. Thanks for the correction.