Leif's Homebrew 4E, OOC1

Walking Dad · Mar 6, 2009

The new barbarian feature is adding 1 to reflex and AC if wearing no heavier than light armor. That's all.

Leif · Mar 6, 2009

Walking Dad said:
The new barbarian feature is adding 1 to reflex and AC if wearing no heavier than light armor. That's all.

The 1 being your character's Con bonus? At least I think that's what you said earlier? And that feature is called "Barbarian's Agility?" I'm not yet used to the way that 4e applies the bonus from strange abilities to certain of a character's stats. Let's see, NORMALLY, it's Int or Dex for AC and Reflex, Wis or Cha for Will, and Con or Str for Fortitude, isn't it? But this goes at least one step further and applies Con to AC and Relflex. Am I understanding you correctly?

Walking Dad · Mar 6, 2009

Leif said:
The 1 being your character's Con bonus? At least I think that's what you said earlier?

No, I misunderstood an early information. Some primal classes (like the druid) can add other abilities (like con) instead Dex/Int to determine the AC bonus, but not the barbarian.

Leif said:
And that feature is called "Barbarian's Agility?" I'm not yet used to the way that 4e applies the bonus from strange abilities to certain of a character's stats. Let's see, NORMALLY, it's Int or Dex for AC and Reflex, Wis or Cha for Will, and Con or Str for Fortitude, isn't it?

Yes, all correct.

Leif said:
But this goes at least one step further and applies Con to AC and Relflex. Am I understanding you correctly?

No, it is just a flat +1 bonus to AC and Reflex if the barbarian wears no or light armor.

Leif · Mar 6, 2009

Walking Dad said:
No, I misunderstood earlier. Some primal classes (like the druid) can add other abilities (like con) instead Dex/Int to determine the AC bonus.

So now we have Arcane, Martial, and Primal classes? I presume that Barbarian and Druid are both Primal? Man, I can't WAIT until my ph2 arrives!

Walking Dad said:
No, it is just a flat +1 bonus to AC and Reflex if the barbarian wears no or light armor.

How can both of these quotes the correct? Do you mean that your Barbarian has one bonus to his AC because of his Con score and a different bonus because of his Barbarian Agility ability? If that's not what you mean, then I am even more confused now than I was before. :erm:

renau1g · Mar 6, 2009

Don't worry...shhh...4e is simpler, more streamlined than 3.5e*

*Note, this offer only applies using the core rules, which consequently are more complicated than 3.5e core books

Walking Dad · Mar 6, 2009

Ok:

Druid Feature: Can use con mod to determine AC (instead of (Dex/Int)) in light armor.

Barbarian: Uses Dex/Int for AC mod in light armor (as everybody else. But, adds +1 to AC and reflex if not wearing heavy armor.

Example:
Tarrk
Str 18 Dex 13 Wis 14
Con 16 Int 10 Cha 08

AC 15 (base 10 + Level 0 + Hide armor 3 + Dex mod 1 + Barbarian bonus 1)

Fortitude 16 (base 10 + Level 0 + Str mod 4 + Barbarian save bonus 2)

Reflex 12 (base 10 + Level 0 + Dex mod 1 + Barbarian bonus 1)

Will 12 (base 10 + Level 0 + Wis mod 2)

PS:
Primal Characters in PH2

Barbarian - Striker
Warden - Defender
Shaman - Leader
Druid - Contoller

PPS: Changed (hopefully) the confusing part in the above post.

Leif · Mar 6, 2009

renau1g said:
Don't worry...shhh...4e is simpler, more streamlined than 3.5e*
*Note, this offer only applies using the core rules, which consequently are more complicated than 3.5e core books

It is? Oh, yeah, that's right, it is! Glad you reminded me.

Leif · Mar 6, 2009

Walking Dad said:
Ok: Druid Feature: Can use con mod to determine AC (instead of (Dex/Int)) in light armor.
Barbarian: Uses Dex/Int for AC mod in light armor (as everybody else. But, adds +1 to AC and reflex if not wearing heavy armor.

Example:
Tarrk
Str 18 Dex 13 Wis 14
Con 16 Int 10 Cha 08

AC 15 (base 10 + Level 0 + Hide armor 3 + Dex mod 1 + Barbarian bonus 1)

Fortitude 16 (base 10 + Level 0 + Str mod 4 + Barbarian save bonus 2)
Reflex 12 (base 10 + Level 0 + Dex mod 1 + Barbarian bonus 1)
Will 12 (base 10 + Level 0 + Wis mod 2)

PS:
Primal Characters in PH2
Barbarian - Striker
Warden - Defender
Shaman - Leader
Druid - Contoller

Wow! Thanks, WD, that's PERFECT! Yes, you cleared everything up very nicely, and added some cool bonus info on top of that!

(Are those four Primal Classes the only ones in ph2, or are there also more? I feel GREEDY! :devil:

)

renau1g · Mar 6, 2009

There's 8 classes altogether, the 4 WD said+ Avenger, Bard, Invoker, & Sorceror. There are also some new races. Below is from wikipedia (Player's Handbook - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), which is a legitimate news source according to CNN, who reference it often during their newscasts.

The 4th edition Player's Handbook 2, subtitled Arcane, Divine and Primal Heroes,[24] is scheduled for release in March 2009.[24] The Player's Handbook 2 will include eight classes: the avenger[25], barbarian[26], bard[27], druid[28], invoker[29], shaman[30], sorcerer[31] and warden[32], and five races[33], of which gnomes, half-orcs and shifters[34] have been confirmed. Goliaths and devas (previously named aasimars) have been confirmed to be in the Player's Handbook 2 as well

Leif · Mar 6, 2009

renau1g said:
There's 8 classes altogether, the 4 WD said+ Avenger, Bard, Invoker, & Sorceror. There are also some new races. Below is from wikipedia (Player's Handbook - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), which is a legitimate news source according to CNN, who reference it often during their newscasts.

The 4th edition Player's Handbook 2, subtitled Arcane, Divine and Primal Heroes,[24] is scheduled for release in March 2009.[24] The Player's Handbook 2 will include eight classes: the avenger[25], barbarian[26], bard[27], druid[28], invoker[29], shaman[30], sorcerer[31] and warden[32], and five races[33], of which gnomes, half-orcs and shifters[34] have been confirmed. Goliaths and devas (previously named aasimars) have been confirmed to be in the Player's Handbook 2 as well

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