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Thread: Revised GSL TODAY!
Thursday, 5th March, 2009, 01:28 AM #241
Myrmidon (Lvl 10)
Yet still, having the license taken away was an incredibly frightening thing. As in, a lot of us were afraid that by the end of the year we'd be out of a job. We took a risk with starting up Pathfinder and it paid off big. We're taking an even bigger risk with the Pathfinder RPG and that's looking like it's gonna pay off even bigger.
Personally... speaking for only myself... after being laid off from WotC once, and after losing the magazine license... I'm pretty much all through with putting my fate in someone else's hands. I'm really proud of what we're doing with the Pathfinder RPG, and even though I think that the 4th edition rules are really elegant and well designed (I'm a bit less fond of the changes to the game's flavor and traditions)... it's still not the game I helped build.
Call it male cow excrement if you want, but my TRUE opinion is that Pathfinder RPG (and by extension, 3.5) is a better system to build the games that I want to write, develop, edit, and play. It's an opinion that everyone at Paizo shares, and that's the main reason we're supporting our own game rather than looking to officially support 4th edition at this time.
That may not have been the case 1 or 2 or 5 years ago. It's certainly the case now.
EDIT: In any case, it's the "We can pull the plug on your license for doing something we don't like because it's too R-rated" part of the GSL that I really mean when I say that the GSL won't let us write the type of adventures we want to write. Especially since there's no definition of what might or might not trigger that reaction from WotC... what's appropriate to one reader isn't to another, and all that.ŚJames Jacobs
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Thursday, 5th March, 2009, 01:32 AM #242
Scout (Lvl 6)
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Thursday, 5th March, 2009, 01:35 AM #243
Silly question again.... The old NEtobook of CArnal Knowledge including STDs, etc. All these things are possible in a fantasy world as disease is often a major problem....so without the gratuitous sex, could this trigger a "mature" rating and cause for alarm and termination of a GSL? opinions not legal advice requested....not trying to put anyone on the line, just throwing out an idea.
Thursday, 5th March, 2009, 01:37 AM #244
Myrmidon (Lvl 10)
Veronica: Where's your brother?
Dick: I think he took Ghost World up to his room. They're probably up there making love. Or playing Dungeons and Dragons. Or both, at the same time. They're both, like, 12th-level dorks. I'm just sayin'
Thursday, 5th March, 2009, 01:41 AM #245
Hydra (Lvl 25)
The implication that anyone who does not like the BoEF is a prude is NOT ACCEPTABLE. If you want to impugn the sexual mores of people, you are seriously on the wrong boards. I don't want to see you post in this thread unless the first words are an apology to all and sundry.
If that was not your intention, you were not paying close enough attention. Nobody should expect any patience with such a statement. This thread has been warned once.
This is warning #2.
There will be no warning #3. And, given that this topic is important to our community, it is likely to end in bans, rather than thread closure.
The Book of Erotic Fiction is not the subject of the thread. Please drop it.
Thursday, 5th March, 2009, 01:42 AM #246
Spellbinder (Lvl 16)
Wow. 12 pages in the thread already? The license has only been out a couple of days.
Everyone else is throwing their opinions around, and since I want to be like everyone else...
I don't like 4E. I played it, I DM'd it, I tried writing original content for it, and it just doesn't do it for me. But I am a freelance writer, so I have been very interested in the new GSL for a couple of reasons.
First of all, this new GSL will set the tone for all business relationships that WotC has with third-party publishers. And second, the GSL will guide the evolution of the game more than anything else. The more contributing authors, the more variety and innovation...so this spiffy little document will give these aspiring writers a working, legally-protected platform to sell their ideas.
I think this GSL will do everything it was intended to do: create a solid network of high-quality authors, artists, and publishers, and grow the product line for the mutual benefit of Hasbro and 3PPs alike. So that makes it a success, in my humble (and non-legal) opinion, even though I probably won't ever use it.
As for the BoEF? Don't blame the license, and don't blame the publisher. That book is truly horrible, but the reason that manuscript got approved and the book got printed was because of consumer demand...however slight. It wasn't because of a lack of control over IP.
In other words: if people would stop buying crappy products, publishers would stop making crappy products.
So when the 3PPs start cranking out new material by the boatload, resist the urge to throw your money at anything with the new logo on it. Be selective. Demand good products, and make those publishers earn their money. If a book is awesome, buy it and tell your friends to do likewise...but if a book is awful, do not buy it and warn your friends not to.
Remember: Only You Can Prevent Crappy Products.TM
Thursday, 5th March, 2009, 01:45 AM #247
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
Thursday, 5th March, 2009, 01:48 AM #248
Cutpurse (Lvl 5)
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Thursday, 5th March, 2009, 01:48 AM #249
Exactly, that's a smart decision.EDIT: In any case, it's the "We can pull the plug on your license for doing something we don't like because it's too R-rated" part of the GSL that I really mean when I say that the GSL won't let us write the type of adventures we want to write. Especially since there's no definition of what might or might not trigger that reaction from WotC... what's appropriate to one reader isn't to another, and all that.
Basically, I see licensing D&D or going with the older or variant versions as similar to a choice that a comic writer or artist does when he decides to either do "work-for-hire" with a big company or be independent and have control over copyright, trademark, and full ownership.
Anybody who licenses anything takes a trade-off. And it's important to recognize that.
I think the main gist Clark, Charles, and others have said is, to use the analogy, that being in the former camp is not necessarily a bad choice, as long as you know what you're getting into, and get enough in return.
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Thursday, 5th March, 2009, 01:49 AM #250
I would imagine most licenses that don't have some kind of clause that allows refusal based on content are much more narrow in scope and specific in the products they enable.