Proposal: Arcane Power

garyh · Jul 31, 2009

stonegod said:
So, to get this ball rolling (and so Dang't can be updated ), how but I propose the following (since I started this thread):

- Proposal: Accept all of Arcane Power except Grease, Illusory Wall, and Planar Gateway.

Folks can propose separate things for the other three, though only Grease is of a primary concern right now (as it is is the only power anyway can take at L4W levels).

Yes to this.

JoeNotCharles · Aug 3, 2009

Ok, now that the board's settled down (sort of) I finally have time to go back through these.

Arcane Power (except for Grease, Illusory Wall, and Planar Gateway) has passed, and I'll update the charter.

That means there are two really weird things: there are a lot of Illusion powers with two versions that were approved separately, so now they're both legal. And the Bonded Summoner paragon path is legal, but one of its powers isn't.

At this time I'm also making another proposal: replace the Dragon version of Illusory Wall with the AP version with the amendment: change "on its current turn, but it can try again on later turns" to "until it is attacked again and missed"

So, outstanding proposals, all of which have 0 votes:

Approve Grease as-is
Approve amended Grease
Approve Compendium version of Planar Gateway
ban Dragon magazine Illusion article except Illusory Wall
replace Dragon version of Illusory Wall with amended AP version

covaithe · Aug 4, 2009

JoeNotCharles said:
Approve amended Grease

YES. I would prefer that we use common sense rather than multiplying the rules, but I don't care enough to hold it up.

Approve Compendium version of Planar Gateway

YES

ban Dragon magazine Illusion article except Illusory Wall

YES

replace Dragon version of Illusory Wall with amended AP version

NO. Reading through this, I think this makes it so that the caster can choose not to attack the enemy again, and the enemy can never get through the wall. I'd prefer something like, "Whenever an enemy attempts to move through the wall, make an Int vs. Will attack as a free action. If it hits, the enemy perceives the wall as solid and can't move through it. This condition lasts until the start of its next turn."

JoeNotCharles · Aug 4, 2009

covaithe said:
I would prefer that we use common sense rather than multiplying the rules, but I don't care enough to hold it up.

I'll return the favour by voting YES to "Approve Grease as-is" - wouldn't want people voting for mine even though they prefer yours just because it looks closer to passing.

NO. Reading through this, I think this makes it so that the caster can choose not to attack the enemy again, and the enemy can never get through the wall. I'd prefer something like, "Whenever an enemy attempts to move through the wall, make an Int vs. Will attack as a free action. If it hits, the enemy perceives the wall as solid and can't move through it. This condition lasts until the start of its next turn."[/QUOTE]

So, basically the same as the text that's in AP, except change "moves adjacent to the wall" with "tries to cross the wall". Yes, I like that much better. I withdraw my proposal, and vote YES to this.

Dunamin · Aug 5, 2009

JoeNotCharles said:
ban Dragon magazine Illusion article except Illusory Wall

YES

Also, YES to banning the entire article. If Illusory Wall and Planar Gateway haven't been updated by the time they become relevant, I'll probably cast my vote on one of the previously suggested versions. However, I think we're talking at least 8 levels, so simple omission works for me for now.

JoeNotCharles · Aug 11, 2009

Does anyone else have any opinions on these? It's a shame to have Grease sitting there unapproved just because nobody can come to an agreement on something so trivial.

To recap, the votes are at:

Approve Grease as-is: 1 YES
Approve Grease with the amendment "sliding back into the zone does not trigger the attack again": 1 YES
Approve Compendium version of Planar Gateway: 1 YES
ban Dragon magazine Illusion article except Illusory Wall: 2 YES
replace Dragon version of Illusion Wall with amended AP version (attack happens when someone tries to cross the wall, not when they move adjacent to it): 1 YES

CaBaNa · Aug 11, 2009

Does Veruzak Choru'Skate have anything affected by the illusion article ban?

JoeNotCharles · Aug 11, 2009

There's a list of differences between the Dragon article and the powers in AP here. Right now, both versions are allowed (so, for example, you could learn Phantasmal Terrain that hinders only enemies, from Dragon, or the version that hinders everyone, from AP). If the "ban the Dragon article" proposal passes you'll only be allowed to learn the AP version.

So the only thing that effects Veruzak is that he'll have to add a Zone keyword to Grasping Shadows.

CaBaNa · Aug 11, 2009

Thanks!

JoeNotCharles · Sep 20, 2009

JoeNotCharles said:
Does anyone else have any opinions on these? It's a shame to have Grease sitting there unapproved just because nobody can come to an agreement on something so trivial.

To recap, the votes are at:

Approve Grease as-is: 1 YES
Approve Grease with the amendment "sliding back into the zone does not trigger the attack again": 1 YES
Approve Compendium version of Planar Gateway: 1 YES
ban Dragon magazine Illusion article except Illusory Wall: 2 YES
replace Dragon version of Illusion Wall with amended AP version (attack happens when someone tries to cross the wall, not when they move adjacent to it): 1 YES