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    PROPOSAL: Dragon Magazine 368

    More specifically from DM 368, I am proposing the following:

    WEAPON: The Whip

    Superior one-handed melee weapon
    Cost: 1gp
    Damage: 1d4
    Proficient: +3
    Range: -
    Weight: 2 lb

    Although an impractical weapon in most hands, a well-placed whip strike can put one's opponent at a serious disadvantage.

    Properties:
    Reach (With a reach weapon, you can attack enemies that are 2 squares away from you as well as adjacent enemies, with no attack penalty. You can still make opportunity attacks only against adjacent enemies. Likewise, you can flank only an adjacent enemy.).
    Off-Hand (An off-hand weapon is light enough that you can hold it and attack effectively with it while holding a weapon in your main hand. You can't attack with both weapons in the same turn, unless you have a power that lets you do so, but you can attack with erither weapon.).

    Group:
    Flail
    (Weapons in the flail group have a flexible material, usually a length of chain, between a solid handle and the damage-dealing end of the weapon.).



    FEAT: Whip Training [Multiclass Whip]

    Tier:
    Heroic
    Prerequisites: Dex 13, any martial class

    You gain proficiency with the whip. When you hit a target with your whip, that target takes a -2 penalty to attack rolls against a target of your choice until the end of your next turn.


    I apologize if this has already been proposed, but i searched the forum and saw no proposals for either the whip or for DM 368. Feel free to place a dunce cap on my head if this has already been proposed.

    FEAT: Whip Novice [Multiclass]

    Tier: Heroic
    Prerequisites: Whip Training, 4th level

    You can swap one 3rd-level or higher encounter attack power you know for the whip snare attack power

    Whip Snare Feat Power
    With a deft flick of the wrist, you coil your whip around your foe's limb, giving you some control of where that enemy goes-down or toward you.
    Encounter * Weapon
    Standard Action Melee weapon
    Target:
    One Creature
    Attack: Dexterity vs Reflex
    Requirement: You must be wileding a whip.
    Hit: 2[W] + Dexterity modifier damage, and you can knock the target prone or pull the target 1 square.
    At 11th level, increase to 3[W] damage.
    At 21st level, increase to 4[W] damage.


    FEAT: Whip Expert [Multiclass]

    Tier:
    Whip raining, 8th level

    You can swap one 6th-level or higher utility power you know for the whip crack utility power.

    Whip Crack Feat Power
    You snap you whip, warning your enemy not to move carelessly.
    Encounter * Weapon
    Minor Action Personal
    Requirement:
    You must be wielding a whip.
    Effect: Until the start of your next turn, when an enemy within your reach takes an action that provokes opportunity attacks from adjacent enemies, it provokes an opportunity attack from you.


    FEAT: Whip Specialist [Multiclass]

    Tier:
    Heroic
    Prerequisites: Whip Training, 10th level

    You can swap one 9th-level or higher daily attack power you know for the entangling whip attack power.

    Entangling Whip Feat Power
    Your whip is like an extension of you, coiling around your enemy so you can drat that foe wherever you like.
    Daily * Weapon
    Standard Action Melee weapon
    Target:
    One Creature
    Attack: Dexterity vs. Reflex
    Requirement: You must be wielding a whip.
    Hit: 2[W] + Dexterity modifier damage, the target is grabbed (until escape) and knocked prone. The target takes a -5 penalty to escape the grab, and while you have the target grabbed you can pull it 1 square as a minor action. While grabbing the target, you cannot make attacks with the whip. You can sustain the grab as long as the target is within 2 squares of you.
    At 15th level, increase to 3[W] damage.
    At 25th level, increase to 4[W] damage.
    Miss: The target is grabbed (until escape) and knocked prone. While you have the target grabbed you can pull it 1 square as a minor action. While grabbing the target, you cannot make attacks with the whip. You can sustain the grab as long as the target is within 2 squares of you.


    Last edited by Kalidrev; Thursday, 9th July, 2009 at 08:40 PM.

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    The whip is unique as the only 1 handed reach weapons. Reach plus shield [or TWO reach weapons] equals awesome. They really shine with a tempest fighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elecgraystone View Post
    The whip is unique as the only 1 handed reach weapons. Reach plus shield [or TWO reach weapons] equals awesome. They really shine with a tempest fighter.
    Haha dual whips, I know what my next character is going to be.

    Whu-
    (no, that's not right)

    Wu-
    (no, not it either)

    Whi-
    (wrong. Again)

    How on earth do you spell the whip crack noise? Oh screw it.

    *whip crack noises*

    Wait, no, ok, here's my next character. A ranger who uses a whip and a rapier and dresses predominantly in black. Oh, and he'll be a longtooth shifter, only more fox-ish than wolfish.*

    Clearly, I have nothing meaningful to add to this discussion.

    *whip crack noises*




    *This is a Zorro reference, in case you were curious. Hopefully somebody got that.

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    Ok, still haven't had time to look at all of these in depth, but just for the whip:

    Only one-handed reach weapon, huh? You said it's powerful, but do you think it's overpowered? At 1d4 my first thought was the low damage trades for the range, but with the number of 2[W] powers available, I dunno - 2d4 is fine damage for a one-handed range weapon. And, as KenHood pointed out in another thread, "as much damage as a dagger" is pretty ridiculous for a whip. Would it be better to make this do 1 or 1d2 damage?

    Whip Crack is weird:

    "Until the start of your next turn, when an enemy within your reach takes an action that provokes opportunity attacks from adjacent enemies, it provokes an opportunity attack from you."

    Why not just say, "Until the start of your next turn, you have threatening reach?" Or does this mean that it has to actually provoke an attack from an adjacent enemy, and then you get an OA too?

    Whip Specialist seems pretty powerful to me. Knock prone and grab on a miss? I'd be inclined to drop miss to just "knock prone" (maybe "half damage and knock prone", if that's too weak).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeNotCharles View Post
    Ok, still haven't had time to look at all of these in depth, but just for the whip:

    Only one-handed reach weapon, huh? You said it's powerful, but do you think it's overpowered? At 1d4 my first thought was the low damage trades for the range, but with the number of 2[W] powers available, I dunno - 2d4 is fine damage for a one-handed range weapon. And, as KenHood pointed out in another thread, "as much damage as a dagger" is pretty ridiculous for a whip. Would it be better to make this do 1 or 1d2 damage?)
    While the damage seems high from a realism standpoint, it seems balanced enough mechanically. And if you think whip seems high, blowgun is a d4 high crit weapon!

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeNotCharles View Post
    "Until the start of your next turn, when an enemy within your reach takes an action that provokes opportunity attacks from adjacent enemies, it provokes an opportunity attack from you."

    Why not just say, "Until the start of your next turn, you have threatening reach?" Or does this mean that it has to actually provoke an attack from an adjacent enemy, and then you get an OA too?
    It adds another trigger to OA. If the enemy is alone, no OA unlike threatening reach. It WOULD be easier if it was threatening reach, but this makes you attack two adjacent enemies if you want an OA.

    Whip Specialist seems pretty powerful to me. Knock prone and grab on a miss? I'd be inclined to drop miss to just "knock prone" (maybe "half damage and knock prone", if that's too weak).[/quote]There are 9th level attacks that do 1/2 damage and slow, immobilize or daze [Form of the Storm Eagle, Knockout, Agonizing Shot, Not Worth My Time]. This grabs and knocks prone but deals no damage. Seems fair to me.

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    It does 2[W] damage, doesn't it? And do those powers do their full effects (or close to) on a miss?

  7. #7
    We might as well consider the entire article while we're at it.

    For reference, the issue is here (requires DDI) and the whip is in the article "We Who Are About To Die..."

    As for the rest of the issue, it contains:

    Backdrop: Greywall (setting material only, no player options or items)
    Playtest: Barbarian (obsoleted by PHB2)
    Campaign Items (advice only, no player options or items)
    Items of Legend (new paragon and epic level artifacts)
    Fight! (rules for gladiator combat, new monsters, traps and skill challenges - no need to vote on this IMHO, DM's can just put them in adventure proposals if they want to use them)
    We Who Are About To Die... (player options and magic items for Gladiators)
    Domains of Dread: Sunderheart (setting and monsters only, nothing that needs voting on)
    Refuge in the Mournland: Stillwater Station (setting only, nothing to vote on)
    Design & Development: Death & Dying (regular column, nothing to vote on)
    Confessions of a Full-Time Wizard: Game Shame (regular column, nothing to vote on)
    RPGA Report (regular column, nothing to vote on)
    Ampersand: What Happens in Vegas... (editorial, has previews from Manual of the Planes which are obsoleted since we have the full thing)

    Only the bolded articles have things to vote on.

    Leaving aside the artifacts, here's what the Gladiator article contains:

    12 Heroic Tier feats, including a new Channel Divinity feat. Haven't read them all, but Staff Fighting is notable because it turns a quarterstaff into a double weapon, which might interact with our house rule.
    4 Paragon Tier feats
    2 Epic Tier feats
    24 "Arena Fighting" feats (Heroic tier power modification feats for martial characters)
    Arena Champion paragon path
    5 magic armours
    4 magic weapons
    3 new superior weapons (bola, net and whip)
    3 sets of multiclass "Weapon Mastery" feats & powers, for each of the new weapons

    Since the OP asked for the whip specifically, we should focus on that first.

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    Thanks JNC, you rock! I kind of wanted to post what you did... but i was being lazy and only really cared about the whip. You rock!

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