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Sunday, 16th August, 2009, 10:38 PM #1
Novice (Lvl 1)
Hero of the Faith: Broken, or just Unbalanced and in need of meds? You decide.
I'm forking this thread here because the discussion has completely taken over the Divine Power discussion, and I'd like a chance to discuss the rest of the book.
The general consensus is that HotF should not be played as written. Comment please.
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Sunday, 16th August, 2009, 11:00 PM #2
Waghalter (Lvl 7)
Sunday, 16th August, 2009, 11:27 PM #3
Waghalter (Lvl 7)
though I do respect the general consensus, and would not raise a "stink" if HoTF gets nerf'd or banned, I disagree that it is either broken or unbalanced.
I like the feat, I think it is appropriate.
I've heard the argument that, Avengers only OoE once per encounter. If the striker is only killing one monster per encounter...
the team, isn't working together properly.(insert comment about how teams can work many ways, and the previous statement is far too general.) By focusing on one threat at a time, and taking that damage potential off the board, the party reduces the total damage they take. This also lets the Avenger OoE 2+ times per encounter.
If we are going to nerf HotF, how about this.
Hero of the Faith, Prerequisite Wis 15, not a Ranger.
Last edited by CaBaNa; Monday, 17th August, 2009 at 03:05 AM. Reason: grammar corrections...
Sunday, 16th August, 2009, 11:31 PM #4
Enchanter (Lvl 12)
Monday, 17th August, 2009, 12:21 AM #5
I'm not convinced that HoF is overpowered. On the face of it, rolling twice for every attack on one creature per encounter is strong, but there are other options just as powerful (mainly because of the paragon classes they open up- avenger paragon options are... bad). Rangers in particular have much better MC options if minmaxxing.
The worst I can see happening is Rogue MC Avenger / Daggermaster, which is a bit OP compared to other rogue builds but not compared to other striker builds (it's not the rogue's fault he's underpowered).
Monday, 17th August, 2009, 12:57 AM #6
Monday, 17th August, 2009, 01:34 AM #7
That point you make is valid, and WotC will probably nerf the feat after a while to bring it down to the 1 turn/encounter benefit of the other MC feats, but when you take everything together, the people who are saying that every striker will take HoF are just as silly and just as wrong as the people who said that every striker would go barbarian MC when PHBII came out. There are paragon classes that are just too good for strikers to seriously consider anything besides Fighter or Rogue MC (and possibly Warlock for radiant characters).
Monday, 17th August, 2009, 02:01 AM #8
Why don't y'all communicate this to WOTC, instead of trying to fix it over here? That way, they'll address the problem and apply the update before we adopt the book, and you end up benefitting a much larger community of roleplayers with your actions.
Monday, 17th August, 2009, 02:41 AM #9
We can't easily do anything about weird paragon path combinations, even if we were to agree they're a problem, because there's no simple thing we can point at to ban, unless we ban multiclassing entirely. So there's really no point in letting it distract us.
We're talking about the actual specific effects of the Hero of the Faith feat.
Monday, 17th August, 2009, 08:10 AM #10
Defender (Lvl 8)
I think HotF is overpowered, and not just for strikers. In my epic game (see sig links if you're curious), Sessadore has a lvl 21 cleric with HotF. No problems with the wisdom requirement there. It's only come up once so far, but he used it to (effectively) guarantee a hit wth Righteous Brand, granting +7 to hit to the barbarian in the party, who promptly went nova with Storm of Blades and something else. It was impressive.
Now, I don't think that use in itself was overpowered, as such, but... I play HotF in that game with the (to me) obvious nerf that it lasts until the end of next turn. Even thus nerfed, and even not on a super-twinked-cheese build, it has been an important factor at a crucial point in a big fight.
If it's that good while nerfed, it seems to me that it shouldn't be played un-nerfed.