Epic 4e play: the system makes it too easy for PCs to hit, instead of too hard.
Tequila Sunrise
Adventurer
Interesting. Given the DMG's lack of guidelines about encounters per day, I wonder if higher level PCs are supposed to weather through more encounters between extended rests. It would be very strange for escalating encounters/day to be an intended balancing factor and yet not mention it somewhere, but I think it's odd that there are no encounter/day guidelines to begin with.
Or is that just me?
Dice4Hire
First Post
My group now is on the verge of starting Epic (next session!!!!) and thus far we are doing well, but with 3 players, and no one doing much in the way of leader buffing (we need otehr kinds of attacks too much) the monsters re not too easy to hit. At the end of P3, we needed roughly 15-17 to hitthe final dude, and it was a tough fight, which we did not win)
But that is a small group, and we were not really ready for it. If we had been a bit better prepared, it might have gone better.
But then again, we are only about 80% optimized, so we don't get the bonuses people are talking about upthread.
But that is a small group, and we were not really ready for it. If we had been a bit better prepared, it might have gone better.
But then again, we are only about 80% optimized, so we don't get the bonuses people are talking about upthread.
Snoweel
First Post
A party of three requires some serious modification from the assumed party size.
Ravellion
serves Gnome Master
I recently flat-out house ruled certain justice to not work on solos. I am working on a more elegant solution. I think Jack99's condition track for Solos might do the trick.
What I find annoying is that story wise, I have a hard time explaining where multiple epic level fights per day are coming from.Tequila Sunrise said:
Oh I know they can. They could have kept doing errata for 3E too, but they decided to release 3.5. I just don't want 4.5. That's all
Tequila Sunrise
Adventurer
Oh certainly -- creating excuses as to why the PCs can't simply take an extended rest after the 4th encounter can also be pretty annoying. Especially if you want to create excuses for quest after quest after quest.
It has always seemed to me like as you get higher level in D&D there should be fewer things you can fight that are even approaching being a challenge, so there should be less combat.
In 3.x hitting Epic and suddenly finding all these epic adversaries felt very artificial. Why haven't they come across you and squashed you before? Less combat, more working your way toward a few truly titanic villains. I'm sure you can still just keep throwing combats at them then come complain here when people hit 30 "too easily", but that is your own fault
In 3.x hitting Epic and suddenly finding all these epic adversaries felt very artificial. Why haven't they come across you and squashed you before? Less combat, more working your way toward a few truly titanic villains. I'm sure you can still just keep throwing combats at them then come complain here when people hit 30 "too easily", but that is your own fault
Ravellion
serves Gnome Master
With 4 encounter, 4 daily, and several more utility powers per PC, I really can't see how that would happen. Could you create a plausible sitaution in which such a thing could happen? I think the dwarf barabarian you mentioned earlier is probably the worst hitting build that is not yet completely retarded.
Runescribed Dracolich (level 29 solo controller, AC 45) versus level 27 party. Said Dwarf Barbarian, with 16-starting Strength and a +6 weapon, would have +13 level + 6 enhancement + 2 proficiency + 6 strength = +27 to hit AC. Assume 18-starting strength or Demigod and it's +28 to hit, enough to hit 45 AC on a 17.
Edit- of course, solo design guidelines have changed so that solos do not have extra defense bonuses. Still, this AC of 16+level is typical for a soldier.
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