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Monday, 22nd February, 2010, 11:39 AM #11
Thaumaturgist (Lvl 9)
All said, I'm with r1. I use CB all the time to check and generate characters. If you use CB and you submit a character for approval, it would be helpfull (not to mention expeditious) to attach the *.dnd4e document to the post.
I actually share some of the sentiment around here concerning the math. Though the CB screens themselves show calculations for power bonuses, there is no "Math" section showing the explicit calculations for all features. Personally, I think WotC would do well to put this into CB, but *sigh*.
That being said, I wouldn't have a problem with people posting a screen shot of their CB character sheet for the summary section (math would still need to be added). Of course, there would be some formatting requirements, such as including the power cards, basic attacks, showing all weapons for all powers, etc... but that's getting ahead of myself.LEB Character: Arkavas - Deva Artivicer 5
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Monday, 22nd February, 2010, 11:43 AM #12
Defender (Lvl 8)
Monday, 22nd February, 2010, 11:44 AM #13
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
I certainly agree that the current system is cumbersome and time consuming, though I don’t see any easy way around math-checking for judges without the Character Builder.
I like the option of letting players send the CB file for approval, as a support rather than replacement. Then those checkers who do have CB can quickly verify while the player in question works on her/his sheet.
Can CB files be uploaded to the wiki? That would be really really nice to have on your sheet.
Monday, 22nd February, 2010, 11:49 AM #14
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
Monday, 22nd February, 2010, 12:05 PM #15
Scout (Lvl 6)
I'm not a judge, but I have been a PBP DM here via ENworld for years. And with nearly 5000 posts over the last several years, I would have considered myself a serious player (currently of 4E). Imagine my surprise to find out that I'm not. Then again, OPS's statement isn't exactly false since he doesn't 'know' me.
That bit of irritable reaction on my part aside, as has been pointed out by others the CB still doesn't show enough math and as a DM I wouldn't have access to character sheets if some of my players used the CB instead of the wiki. But linking to it in addition to the wiki for ease of use for those who have it sounds good, it just doesn't solve the problem which OPS was concerned about. Sadly, we haven't found a better solution than the wiki yet or we'd surely be using it.
Monday, 22nd February, 2010, 09:57 PM #16
My friend got tired of my complaints about WOTC being totally inept and being unable to fix my password problem so he signed up and gave it to me for my birthday. I'd have done it long ago but somehow they are unable to give me a password that works more than once...
Back to the issue. I'd be VERY happy to simplify the wiki in any way possible. I just don't think this is it.
Monday, 22nd February, 2010, 10:25 PM #17
Cutpurse (Lvl 5)
I guess I just don't understand why a CB file (or summary that then gets imported into the program) cannot take the place of the math template. Basically, the CB is checking the math for you at that point. The checker/judge can quickly check the houserule flags in the CB to make sure ability points, etc. are correct, open the character sheet in CB, and compare the wiki Summary to the CB sheet.
Again, the wiki still contains the complete Summary for reference during play without the need to use CB. My understanding was that the only purpose of the Math section was to help checkers verify that the Summary is correct. Do DMs actually look at the Math section during play? Or is there something that the Math templates verify that the CB would not?
Monday, 22nd February, 2010, 10:28 PM #18
Defender (Lvl 8)
I think people's fear is that the Character Builder can be wrong. I for one, don't have an issue with the CB summary replacing the math section. I think people correctly interpreted me earlier, in what I do think needs to stay is the top summary. It seems most people agree with me.
Of course, the other thing this wouldn't cover is tracking once things get going.
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Tuesday, 23rd February, 2010, 01:17 AM #19
Waghalter (Lvl 7)
I have one simple request for any proposal, if I retire a level 2 character, allow me to create a level 2 character, with at least 1 item, of level 3 or lower.
That is all I hope for with retirement.
After level 2 everyone's system seems to look nice...
But working really hard to get to level 2, and then getting forced back to 1...
Last edited by CaBaNa; Tuesday, 23rd February, 2010 at 02:52 AM.
Tuesday, 23rd February, 2010, 02:19 AM #20
Lama (Lvl 13)