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Tuesday, 23rd February, 2010, 08:24 PM #31
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
That's a nice wish, LadyLaw, but unfortunately, 99% of the people who play here are not coders, and those that are may not know wiki coding and/or are unwilling to code something so complicated.
If we were going to do that, we may as well have this said coder create something that could translate CB sheets into the math section as well, this way you could either do it by hand or submit your character builder summary to get the math section that everyone could see. That would be a ridiculous amount of coding, lol.L4W Characters
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Tuesday, 23rd February, 2010, 08:30 PM #32
Myrmidon (Lvl 10)
I had a dream...
... that most players would just submit a CB file through e-mail to the judges to get approved. Those without the CB would submit their number the old fashioned way in a preaproved .doc format and then a reviewer or a judge would enter it in the CB.
Then we would link the files and the images of the character sheets generated to the wiki in an alphabetical character library.
DM could just download the files of the PCs on their CB or otherwise consult the character sheet and be ready to go. Those without would check the character sheet.
Personnally, I enter all the stats of the PCs in my adventure in my CB. It's less hassle to browse through them in my CB through the wiki, IMO.
Tuesday, 23rd February, 2010, 08:32 PM #33
I don't think it's that bad. The math section isn't that terrible. I could put it together in Excel no problem, I just don't know how to then get it to show correctly in this format.
At any rate, I figure if people had the knowledge or time, that would have been done long ago. It's why I said I wish that I knew how to code it because the light knows I have more than enough time on my hands. Unfortunately, each wiki seems to work differently, so even if I knew how to code it into a wiki, there's no guarantee it would work in this particular one.
Tuesday, 23rd February, 2010, 08:37 PM #34
So a GM or Judge shouldn't be able to check the math if they think something is off? Seems odd to me...Originally Posted by stonegod
As far as me seeing the math section, that'd be nice but not required to run things smoothly. If I was a GM I know I'd want to be able to look at the math section.
Oh, the wiki templates suck, no question. I've been working with them for a while and I still don't want to use them. Part of the reason I waited so long to start up a second character was the fact that I didn't want to go thought the hassle of using them again.Originally Posted by stonegod
I'd be up for any suggestion that'd make the sheet easier to use/make. However dumping the math section IMO isn't the answer. It'd just make the sheet suck a little less while making the math unreadable to people that I think should be able to.
I think Lady Law's suggestion holds more merit. If we could make the sheet just plain easier to use in every section, I think that would makes things better. If we just 'fix' the math section, they still have to work out wiki in the rest of the sheet. It isn't a sheet where you fill in the numbers and go from there and I think that's the turnoff. A slightly easier wiki page is still a wiki page and not a traditional sheet.
Tuesday, 23rd February, 2010, 08:55 PM #35
Cutpurse (Lvl 5)
And still, I would trade off the ability for a few people to more easily satisfy idle curiosity about a few builds if we were getting a significant decrease in the amount of time needed to create and check sheets for a great number of players. Yep, I would make that trade.
Probably no sense arguing about it more, I think the positions are pretty clear. Hopefully at some point the judges will actually vote.
Tuesday, 23rd February, 2010, 09:18 PM #36
Cutpurse (Lvl 5)
Tuesday, 23rd February, 2010, 09:29 PM #37
This would be great possibly, if the CB was infallible, unfortunately it's not. There's frequently times that certain feats selected don't copy over to the power cards section. Also, if we went this route, would you be able to set up the page? I think this has some potential. Only one judge (I believe) doesn't have DDI, but they're not too involved in character checking anyways (possibly because they don't have the CB ). There are still a couple issues with this:
1) Violates WoTC's policy of only one user as technically those without DDI are getting the benefit of it (I think, I'm no lawyer)
2) Will require the judges/reviewers to have to input into the builder, although it's likely around the same amount, perhaps a bit less, than current reviewing.
We'd also need the "preapproved" word doc, but that wouldn't be too hard.
One site that may work is iPlay4e - play 4e Dungeons and Dragons (D&D) online!
We could set-up a campaign for L4W then upload the CB files here... then the players (all of them) and judges can see the sheets, math is already calculated, but is visible.... hmmm....we do have to come up with something, because I don't think the wiki's staying around forever right? They're changing it soon-ish?
Tuesday, 23rd February, 2010, 09:42 PM #38
If you're willing to use some sort of pre-approved word doc or spreadsheet for character submission, then why not just use that as the sheet in general. You could link it the same way you would link the CB files and wouldn't need to worry about having CB to open them. You could even go so far as to save them as PDF before linking so that anyone with a PDF viewer can see them instead of requiring microsoft products (just in case we have any Mac purists out there).
I think any type of document or spreadsheet based template would be much easier to understand in-so-far as filling it in is concerned.
Tuesday, 23rd February, 2010, 09:45 PM #39
I was thinking essentially an input sheet (I'm assuming this is what Mal's talking about) where you enter your stats, list your powers/feats/background. The reviewer inputs into CB then uploads CB file.
Likely a google doc, but are there any Mac users out there without Boot Camp (that's the word right?) and Office?
Tuesday, 23rd February, 2010, 09:56 PM #40
I believe there is actually a Mac version of Office. However, I'll be honest and say that if I had a Mac I wouldn't load Boot Camp on it, and I do know a few people who feel the same. (That's what I meant by a Mac purist, one who won't use Boot Camp.) I don't know if anyone on this site is in that boat, but such people do exist.
Can you upload the CB file so that it will open as a web page? I know I can't actually view a CB file without the CB and my web host won't upload the files straight because it isn't a supported file type.