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Wednesday, 24th February, 2010, 07:39 PM #51
Enchanter (Lvl 12)
(So, how's McAfee working with Outlook on Vista for you? Ps. Your email address is visible, too.)
Those screen shots are great - thanks for posting them! It is indeed radically different from any other character sheet I've seen, but that's not really a problem. Do you feel that it is easy to input the data? Also, I assume that anyone with an account follow a URL to your sheet? Have you tried entering a paragon-tier character with tons of crazy rules and stuff - are they still easy to follow?
The only potential issue I can think of is if WotC sends them a cease & desist order like they have all those other sites that display power cards. If everyone moved to this site and suddenly it was gone, that'd be ... well a lot like if the wiki suddenly were gone here.
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Wednesday, 24th February, 2010, 07:55 PM #52
Ugh... I hate Vista, but we "upgraded" at work last year from XP and my computer's been running much slower ever since. The data takes approx. 5 seconds to enter, you just have to upload the .dnd4e file.
Agree with you on the risk of C&D letter, although at least this one only displays what's already in the builder, and requires you to use builder files so assuming you didn't pirate it, Wotc is making money from you.
You can make a sheet public, meaning anyone in your Campaign can access/view it. If we set up a L4W campaign, then all of them can be loaded to that one.
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Wednesday, 24th February, 2010, 08:30 PM #53
Enchanter (Lvl 12)
Ooooooooh - it just links to the compendium pages! So it's not reproducing anything; they just track the links! Smart! Way to avoid copyright infringement.
YES your link completely worked and I'm completely already thinking that's an awesome idea. (It even has little "dice" functions that wouldn't be useful for PbP but are great otherwise!)
The only downside is that the DDI subscription is required to use it, either to upload or view. So it's a perfect solution... for anyone with DDI. Otherwise, we're back to where we were.
Off topic: have you convinced them to let you go to Windows 7 yet?
Wednesday, 24th February, 2010, 08:39 PM #54
How does it know if you have ddi? Just curious. I used a different e-mail than my wotc one to sign up.
Off topic - unfortunately, I'm at a huge multi-national firm and having just shelled out the big bucks to get Vista I'm guessing we'll stick with it for a while
Wednesday, 24th February, 2010, 08:52 PM #55
Enchanter (Lvl 12)
It didn't know I had DDI - but when I clicked on the link from any feat/ability/skill/etc., it just took me to what I recognized as the DDI log in page and I had to sign in to see the text. I'm guessing you still had a WotC cookie on your machine? Plus, if you "show only this frame" on the text, you can see it's from the wizards.com site. It's a good idea, really: the only way to avoid getting C&D'd is to just use their own material.
Ultimately, it only allows people who have the character builder to share character builder files with others who have the character builder. It's really nice, tho (and pretty slick for a free browser-based program).
Wednesday, 24th February, 2010, 11:47 PM #56
So if they don't want to be able to see it, then they can vote to allow only CB for the math section.
Thursday, 25th February, 2010, 01:15 PM #57
Defender (Lvl 8)
character sheets, and the ability to compare two versions. I, for one, find that extremely useful.
I'm intrigued by LadyLaw's idea of a program where you can fill in a form that looks like our current sheets, and then press a button and it will generate the wiki code you need. That's got promise, at least as a starting point.
I also find myself thinking... And, I dunno, tell me if I'm out of line on this one... Who cares if it takes an hour to fill in a character sheet? I mean, this is a character that you'll be playing for years, given the pace of PbP. You're going to need to know their mechanics inside and out, every last nit-picky number. You'll spend hours typing in posts in-character, more hours hitting refresh or checking your email to see if you survive the consequences of your actions, and yet more hours (happily, I hope) arguing about rules and mechanics and tactics and and and...
Point is, PbP is not about instant gratification. It's a grind, a long one, and it takes a healthy dose of patience. If you're put off by an hour or two of wrestling with wiki formatting, well, maybe this game isn't for you.
I'm not completely sure I believe the argument in these paragraphs, but... It's crossed my mind more than once, reading this thread.
On the other hand, anything we can do to make it easier for character reviews to happen, without sacrificing accuracy or the ability for DMs to run games without access to DDI, I'm all for.
Thursday, 25th February, 2010, 05:52 PM #58
Acolyte (Lvl 2)
I happen to enjoy working on my characters in the Wiki, so my opinion may be a bit biased, but I believe that knowing your character's mechanics is every bit as important as knowing your characters personality. If you're not certain about your character's personality, you can improvise. If you're not sure about your character's mechanics, you have to spend extra time looking it up in a book or other source, make sure that it includes any changes from errata, and THEN do whatever it is you're going to do.
So, in conclusion of my ramblings... know your character...know your roll/role
Thursday, 25th February, 2010, 06:11 PM #59
Scout (Lvl 6)
Covaithe and Kalidrev have pretty much summed it up for me as well. I don't much mind the effort of putting stuff into the wiki. But with the wiki disappearing sometime, we really need another option regardless and if it can be something simpler and easier (which doesn't require me to pay for DDI) then lets see what we can do.
Thursday, 25th February, 2010, 06:43 PM #60
Waghalter (Lvl 7)
My 2 cents.
I have just had my first character approved for L4W (and first PbP char ever).
I had thought of joining before (a year ago or so) but the character generation process really turned me off. And I must admit it did this time too...I guess I just had more time on my hands recently. I have a little bit of programming in my past, so it wasn't too bad for me, but time consuming, wow!!
I agree with the other poster who mentioned making a second character would take a serious decision from myself.
I would imagine many players would be/have been turned off enough by the wiki char building process to just not bother. I know 3/4 of my RL group would never go through that process from choice or inability.
The question is, since some others have expressed they have no problem with things as is, does the community want to expand? If there is a serious need/desire to expand the player base... then I would humbly agree with the others who have said the chargen process needs to change. If there is no such need/desire, then... it is what it is.
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