L4W Discussion Thread V

CaBaNa · Oct 6, 2010

Has anyone else noticed that the October errata, contains none of the changes they were talking about?

Complete reworking of visions of avarice, different racial bonuses, etc...

Was that little press release the errata on these, or did they just not make up their minds?

renau1g · Oct 6, 2010

I was wondering the same thing Cabana...I was pretty surprised because those changes are not listed in any errata, just that update document...

CaBaNa · Oct 6, 2010

Further, it seems that the update to the CB on the 12th will not include HoTFK, or the Red Box, so I won't be able to see exactly how essentials changed the game yet.

I'm confused...

stonegod · Oct 6, 2010

CaBaNa said:
Further, it seems that the update to the CB on the 12th will not include HoTFK, or the Red Box, so I won't be able to see exactly how essentials changed the game yet.

I'm confused...

It "changed" it by making the DDI update be delayed.

You'll see the changes in the compendium, not the CB. Not until next month (unless this "web-based" system they speak of will replace the CB, which I doubt).

renau1g · Oct 6, 2010

Update to the CB on the 12th? Haven't seen that anywhere posted. The october update is supposed to include the Essentials stuff, just not hte HoTFK from my understanding as well as Psionic POwer and Dark Sun

stonegod · Oct 6, 2010

renau1g said:
Update to the CB on the 12th? Haven't seen that anywhere posted. The october update is supposed to include the Essentials stuff, just not hte HoTFK from my understanding as well as Psionic POwer and Dark Sun

Here. CB only gets PP, Compendium gets all.

CaBaNa · Oct 6, 2010

HAHAHAHAHA you two and your status!

I laughed out loud.

Link to info on update here.

renau1g · Oct 6, 2010

Damn...well this sucks. I'll need to turn to other avenues to read up on Essentials...like buying it or borrowing from a friend

Walking Dad · Oct 6, 2010

On the first page of the errata, they announce a bigger errata for November...

evilbob said:
I'm actually not a fan of that idea. You're effectively trading a +1 to hit for levels 1-4 for a free feat slot at level 5. For one thing, that's unnecessarily complex compared to: just use the rules as they are. For two, that still doesn't solve the idea that everyone will take these feats at level 1 - except the feats will be pretty crappy since there's no +1 to attacks (isn't there another feat already that gives no OAs to wizard attacks?).

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No it isn't. Neither are they crappy (no more than some other not-must-have feats), nor I want to trade anything. I just wanted to give players the opportunity to get the secondary benefit of first level, if they want. There should be still a free math fix at level 5!

The re-training option is for the character who took staff expertise at 2nd level and don't need another at 5th level, so they can retrain the second level feat. Clear.

Maybe you are right that this is a bit complicated for a bit flavor. We should keep the current system (and please (!) don't adopt the LEB method that makes specialization in a weapon type point and flavorless (less in the meaning of lesser than otherwise, not like in not having)).

Luinnar · Oct 6, 2010

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That is about how much it is worth too, since it has about 1/3 the content of the PHB1 (not including the rules).

I like it, though the only two classes I probably would play are the Mage and the Warpriest; the other might be a little too simplistic for my taste, though the Slayer looks fun.