Epic Spell Help: "Baleful Lifebind"


What's on your mind?

+ Log in or register to post
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 20
  1. #1
    Member
    Novice (Lvl 1)



    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    3460 monroe st santa clara, ca 95051
    Posts
    37
    Reviews
    Read 0 Reviews

    ø Ignore aarondirebear

    Epic Spell Help: "Baleful Lifebind"

    First some background: In my setting, native gnomes are cursed to explode when they reach the age of fifty. This is because an incredibly epic wizard, Kit Nosrac, hates them with a passion. My brother wanted to make a gnome warmage who tried to subvert this by becoming a lich (yes, its a female with pink pigtails, for that he shall suffer). But my brother has requested that I make his lich "doomed" to meet Kit Nosrac some day, and have him blow him up. "ahh, very clever way of subverting it. BOOM".

    I came up with the funniest way to do it: Force the lich to come back to life and then allow the curse to take its course (the gnome was 40 seconds from the moment of splody when she turned into a lich.).

    Now I am curious how one could do this legally with the rules for epic spells. I mean sure I can always go with "rule of funny" but I really wanna know. Basically I want the gp and xp costs, along with a final spellcraft DC. Note that Kit Nosrac is high enough level and has epic buffing spells that give him a high enough intellect to tackle just about any spellcraft DC.

    -No save
    -No SR
    -No components
    -Quickened
    -The target is brought back from the dead whether he wants it or not.
    -If it targets an undead, it returns to its original form
    -If the target has its soul in a vessel, the vessel is broken and the soul is reunited with the body.

    My only problem is that I have trouble doing anything ad hoc. Period. There isnt a specific rule about denying saves....guess they didn't want players building the Tomb of Horrors? Meh.

    Any help will be appreciated

 

  • #2
    Registered User
    Magsman (Lvl 14)

    Dandu's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    6,890
    Reviews
    Read 0 Reviews

    ø Ignore Dandu
    My communities:

    1.

    You're over thinking this. Kill the lich, resurrect her, and boom.

    Now, what's a really clever way around this is to use the spell Reincarnate.

    2.

    XP cost: Not an issue with minion abuse.
    Spellcraft DC: See above
    GP cost: Not an issue with infinite wealth loops.
    Time: Not an issue with planes where time flows slowly.

    Given all the ways to break Epic Spellcasting, feel free to just assume that it happens.

  • #3
    Member
    Novice (Lvl 1)



    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    3460 monroe st santa clara, ca 95051
    Posts
    37
    Reviews
    Read 0 Reviews

    ø Ignore aarondirebear
    And I already said i KNOW its not an issue, and that I was CURIOUS >_>
    Why enter someone's thread and invalidate the question being asked?

  • #4
    Registered User
    Magsman (Lvl 14)

    Dandu's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    6,890
    Reviews
    Read 0 Reviews

    ø Ignore Dandu
    My communities:

    Quote Originally Posted by aarondirebear View Post
    And I already said i KNOW its not an issue, and that I was CURIOUS >_>
    Why enter someone's thread and invalidate the question being asked?
    BecauseI never learned the true meaning of Christmas?

  • #5
    Registered User
    Minor Trickster (Lvl 4)

    Verdande's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Atlanta
    Posts
    302
    Reviews
    Read 0 Reviews
    Blog Entries
    16

    ø Ignore Verdande
    My communities:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dandu View Post
    BecauseI never learned the true meaning of Christmas?
    Clearly.

    As an aside, I always thought that the way epic levels were handled in 3.x were kinda funny anyways. Shouldn't he just be able to kick ass?
    I apologize for my verbosity; I simply cannot comprehend how to shorten my thoughts without cutting meaning.


    Lawful Indifferent: Creativity, Wargaming, and Roleplaying

    Spoiler:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Scarlet Citadel, by Robert E. Howard
    "There are creatures", said Pelias, "not alone of this earth and sea, but of air and the far reaches of the skies as well, dwelling apart, unguessed of men. Yet to him who holds the Master-words and Signs and the Knowledge underlying all, they are neither malignant nor inaccessible. Watch, and fear not."

    He lifted his hands to the skies and sounded a long wierd call that seemed to shudder endlessly out into space, dwindling and fading, yet never dying out, only receding farther and farther into some unreckoned cosmos. In the silence that followed, Conan heard a suddgen beat of wings in the stars, and recoiled as a huge bat-like creature alighted beside him...

  • #6
    Registered User
    Novice (Lvl 1)



    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    SF Bay Area
    Posts
    14
    Reviews
    Read 0 Reviews

    ø Ignore Hughjefender
    Do the gnomes explode in a colorfully violent way?

  • #7
    Registered User
    Cutpurse (Lvl 5)

    rgard's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    "Where the winds of limbo roar"
    Posts
    2,089
    Reviews
    Read 0 Reviews

    ø Ignore rgard
    My communities:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hughjefender View Post
    Do the gnomes explode in a colorfully violent way?
    I would hope so. Then send a pack of 1E ghosts into Gnome town.
    Last edited by rgard; Tuesday, 24th August, 2010 at 03:31 AM.
    I have a sneaking suspicion that I may become the 'Diaglo' of 3.5E.

    "If I reject Jedi situational ethics, does that make me a Sith?"

    Stuff on Ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/Blue-Star-Games

    Doing my best to annoy people: http://www.cafepress.com/sk/rbgard

    Yes, I was infatuated with Ms. Frost.

  • #8
    Registered User
    Novice (Lvl 1)



    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    SF Bay Area
    Posts
    14
    Reviews
    Read 0 Reviews

    ø Ignore Hughjefender
    I will say that aaron's wizard seems a bit overpowered if his intellect is so high he can use any spell.

  • #9
    Registered User
    Minor Trickster (Lvl 4)



    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Dursley, Gloucestershire, UK
    Posts
    257
    Reviews
    Read 0 Reviews

    ø Ignore Persiflage
    Quote Originally Posted by Hughjefender View Post
    I will say that aaron's wizard seems a bit overpowered if his intellect is so high he can use any spell.

    Wait... You hear the words "Epic" and "Wizard" in the same context and you think he "seems a bit overpowered"? Because his intellect is high? I kneel humbly in the presence of the Lord of Understatement.

    Seriously, any mention of the Epic Level Joke Book guarantees that the game has already ridden a horse and cart straight into the middle of Crazy Town. Saying that an Epic Wizard "seems a bit overpowered" is like saying that a black hole "seems a bit on the heavy side". It's true, but it's not really representative of the full facts

    Anyway, to address the OP, I happen to have my Joke Book to hand so I'll see what I can do....

    You're right about there being no DC for "no save", but there's a modifier for penalising the saving throw. Maybe you could just apply that until the save modifier is so impossible that it's effectively a no-save spell... If your Epic wizard can flange any Spellcraft check (which is pretty easy) then you can just stick 100 on the Spellcraft DC to add +50 to the save DC.

    As for the rest, well:

    You need the Life seed which has a starting DC of 27.
    You want it Quickened, which gives you +28 to the Spellcraft DC.
    You want the undead returned to life whether willing or not: that's impossible with sub-epic versions, but in this case we can just allow a saving throw...

    So your Spellcraft DC is 55, plus however much you want to add to increase the DC of the save. We'll assume you're going to add 50 to the DC, for a total Spellcasting DC of 155.

    GP Cost: 1,395,000 (chump change to an Epic Wizard)
    Development Time: 27.9 days
    XP Cost: 55,800 (actually, it's - at most - 500Xp, not counting minion abuse, because your Epic caster can and will have made himself a Thought Bottle)

    Assuming an ability modifier of +15, that's a save DC of 75 even if you haven't managed to give Kit some bullsh*t bonuses to the save DC's of his spells.

    (And don't think I missed the Kit Carson reference either: how very frontiersman of you )

    There's another - and in my possibly even funnier - way of dealing with this though. Use Polymorph Any Object (or an Epic version using the Transform seed) to turn the lich into a 51-year-old living gnome, which then immediately explodes.

    That way you don't have to worry about the bringing-the-unwilling-dead-back-to-life clause. It's cheesy, but everything involving Epic level spellcasting is cheesy.

  • #10
    Registered User
    Novice (Lvl 1)



    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    SF Bay Area
    Posts
    14
    Reviews
    Read 0 Reviews

    ø Ignore Hughjefender
    yeah, sorry about that.
    I'm a bit new to RPGs. I understand that some campaigns are more lulz-oriented, I've just never seen nor played them. The few campaigns I have played were one 4th edition D&D game and a few D20 Moderns. I prefer the D20 Modern setting personally, but that's just my opinion. I am willing to learn more though and I tend to ask a lot about mechanics and how they work in terms of gameplay.

  • + Log in or register to post
    Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

    Similar Threads

    1. "The learning game" "El juego de aprender" "Lære leken" IC
      By Tor L'Tha in forum Playing the Game
      Replies: 2
      Last Post: Tuesday, 14th December, 2004, 08:26 PM
    2. Is "A Song of Ice and Fire" the best epic fantasy since "The Lord of the Rings"?
      By nikolai in forum Miscellaneous Geek Talk & Media Lounge
      Replies: 54
      Last Post: Tuesday, 30th November, 2004, 11:53 PM
    3. Replies: 0
      Last Post: Monday, 29th November, 2004, 08:19 PM
    4. "The learning game" "El juego de aprender" "Lære leken"
      By Tor L'Tha in forum General RPG Discussion
      Replies: 1
      Last Post: Monday, 29th November, 2004, 08:01 PM
    5. The Epic Level Handbook, "The 4th Ed of Dungueons and Dragons, for Epic gaming"
      By Virgil Sagecaster in forum General RPG Discussion
      Replies: 11
      Last Post: Thursday, 18th April, 2002, 06:23 AM

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •