RithTheAwakener
First Post
Can zombies (whom can only do a single move action or attack action per round) take a 5-ft-step? If not, can they be endlessly 5-ft-step kited by an PC?
Zombies!
Ahnehnois
First Post
A 5 ft. step exists somewhat outside the normal action structure, so the text that a zombie can "only" take a standard or move action does not preclude taking a 5 ft. step, as I read it (after all, swift and immediate actions are even preserved).
In any case, a zombie can (and probably often does) still charge, allowing it to move and attack in the same action and preventing that strategy, regardless of the 5 ft. step issue.
In any case, a zombie can (and probably often does) still charge, allowing it to move and attack in the same action and preventing that strategy, regardless of the 5 ft. step issue.
Combat (Pathfinder_OGC)
RithTheAwakener
First Post
Ah excellent, good to know, thank you very much 
StreamOfTheSky
Adventurer
But you need at least 10 ft distance to charge, unless that's halved for partial charge. Which means if the PC's just moving back 5 ft, it's too close for the zombie to charge. His best option at that point is to charge someone else.
If you don't allow PCs who are slowed to take a 5 ft step and attack, zombies shouldn't be able to either, and "kiting" is just a really good, albeit cheesy, tactic against them. If you do/would allow PCs to 5 ft step and attack in that situation (or during a surprise round also works as a hypothetical), then groovy. Zombies can just 5 ft step and attack.
If you don't allow PCs who are slowed to take a 5 ft step and attack, zombies shouldn't be able to either, and "kiting" is just a really good, albeit cheesy, tactic against them. If you do/would allow PCs to 5 ft step and attack in that situation (or during a surprise round also works as a hypothetical), then groovy. Zombies can just 5 ft step and attack.
frankthedm
First Post
Why do you think that is the same situation? Zombies are just staggered. The Slow spell, unlike being a zombie, also cuts the victim's speed in half, in addition to making the victim staggered.
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Ahnehnois
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This is true, but the creature can charge past the opponent and then attack (provoking in the process) or attack someone else as suggested, thus rendering the creature not useless.
Besides the point that slow is not the same as being a zombie, I don't see how the slow spell prevents 5 ft. steps, by the same reasoning as above. Thus a slowed PC should not be denied this.
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StreamOfTheSky
Adventurer
Haste also gives +30 ft speed, but who casts it primarily for that?
Fine then, compare to the actual staggered condition. Or a surprise round, like I said. If you allow 5 ft step + attack action in those situations, no reason a zombie can't. If you don't allow it, tough luck for Mr. Zombie. I'm not a fan of using different rules for NPCs than PCs.
