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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed_Laprade View Post
    You might also consider mentioning Villians and Vigilantes. I understand that the first edition came about by houseruling OD&D until it got turned into a superhero game. Not sure about the year, sometime in the mid 70s I believe.
    1979 according to Shannon Appelcline's History of the Game columns. He has a lot of dates and histories of the lot of the companies.
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    One of the interesting bits I've recently heard is that Dave Hargrave was originally going to be the designer for Runequest.
    According to Shannon's history, this isn't quite right. Instead it was going to be Chaosium publishing the Arduin Grimoire, but they decided it was too derivative of D&D instead of its own system. (And Shannon has had a very close relation with RQ, Glorantha and Chaosium).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerraDave View Post
    thanks for the feedback.

    Planning on adding the following:

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    Fantasy Line miniatures by Mier produced by Ral Partha. Ral Partha would grow from a hobbyist to a professional operation by 1979 and produce vast numbers of fantasy miniatures over the coming years.
    If you're going to mention 'Partha, I think you should also put in a notation for Grenadier Models, which did the first official D&D minis back in '79.
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    Traveler by Miller published by Game Designers Workshop
    That's Traveller, with two "L"s.

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    John Kim has a good timeline of rpgs.

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    I had a few cavils in the early part:
    - in the Braunstein games, all players were not commanding troops (some were generals, but separated from their men); one of the things that made it a proto-RPG was the one player = one character focus

    - it's worth mentioning the Domesday Book, where Arneson likely saw the Chainmail miniatures rules prior to their publication elsewhere and published the first description of the Blackmoor campaign

    - the Dungeoneer fanzine deserves mention as another source of published adventures (and surprisingly sophisticated ones!) in 1976

    However, I didn't know that some Holmes sets were published without dice due to the oil shortage! My first set was one of these, but I don't think I bought it until '80; I could never figure out why it had some late-period things (like a copy of B2 instead of B1) but such a seemingly primitive randomizer. Now I know, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormonu View Post
    If you're going to mention 'Partha, I think you should also put in a notation for Grenadier Models, which did the first official D&D minis back in '79.
    Do you have a source, I saw conflicting things on this, one saying 79 (when I think they incorporated) another saying 81.
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    Tav, thanks for the details.

    There were a lot of early fanzines, so while I welcome there mention here, not sure I will add to the list. But I'll think on it a little more.
    A semi-brief History of D&D and some other RPGs: Part 1: 1967-1979 Part 2: 1980-1989
    All the official stuff for 4e
    Bonus:

    4E has rituals, use them, they're magic;
    Want to see the greatest thing you will ever see? then click;
    You can use “Earth” as a D&D setting;
    Origins of The Rouse; (look for it)
    The Rouse responds; (look for it)
    One can appreciate both old and new D&D.

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    More things I will add. Thanks again to everyone for their feedback:

    1975

    Boothill by Blume and Gygax published by TSR games. Focused on gun fighting, the game did have rules for advancement and can be considered the first non-fantasy RPG. It would also be one of the first to use primarily d10s and percentile based skills. The 1979 2nd edition would include counters and an early battle mat.



    1977

    White Dwarf magazine launched by Games Workshop. Games Workshop, founded by John Peake, Ian Livingstone, and Steve Jackson (of the UK) in 75 also received the license to produce D&D in the UK this year and for many years White Dwarf would have articles for that and other role playing game. It would open its first retail shop the following year and receive licenses for Call of Cthulhu, Runequest, and other games.

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    Villains and Vigilantes by Herman and Dee published by Fantasy Games unlimited. The first supers RPG, the character was to be similar to the player, but with random super powers. A table was used in resolving combat and to show how the attackers super powers would work versus the defenders powers. Jeff Dee is also an artist who would do the illustrations for this and other games, including D&D.
    A semi-brief History of D&D and some other RPGs: Part 1: 1967-1979 Part 2: 1980-1989
    All the official stuff for 4e
    Bonus:

    4E has rituals, use them, they're magic;
    Want to see the greatest thing you will ever see? then click;
    You can use “Earth” as a D&D setting;
    Origins of The Rouse; (look for it)
    The Rouse responds; (look for it)
    One can appreciate both old and new D&D.

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    Ok, here are some links. Most are pretty obvious to many you, I still hope they are usefull to some:

    The Acaeum

    Dungeons & Dragons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    GROGNARDIA
    (for the above, try the history and old school labels)

    Pen & Paper RPG Database

    Judges Guild - Product List

    Early American Wargaming « On War and Words
    (the above for Braunstein)
    A semi-brief History of D&D and some other RPGs: Part 1: 1967-1979 Part 2: 1980-1989
    All the official stuff for 4e
    Bonus:

    4E has rituals, use them, they're magic;
    Want to see the greatest thing you will ever see? then click;
    You can use “Earth” as a D&D setting;
    Origins of The Rouse; (look for it)
    The Rouse responds; (look for it)
    One can appreciate both old and new D&D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerraDave View Post
    Villains and Vigilantes by Herman and Dee published by Fantasy Games unlimited. The first supers RPG....
    No, that would be Superhero 2044. I used to own it, but I never understood it. I didn't start playing superhero RPGs until Champions.
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