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Wednesday, 23rd June, 2010, 06:55 PM #231
Time Agent (Lvl 24)
The article seems to be a cop out on a client's failure to gain a significant profit from marketing to RPG players.
Wednesday, 23rd June, 2010, 06:55 PM #232
Superhero (Lvl 15)
I admit, the D&D movie was bad. (Though I've heard good things about the second one.) And I confess, I never saw the cartoon show. But I enjoyed the novels and the video game lines. They got me into the game. I'm sure the same is true for others. If the movie was better, I expect it could do the same. Fostering an atmosphere that discourages the creation of such things is depriving yourself of any potential to continue that trend.
Look - in your other post, you say that most criticisms you receive for your game are legitimate ones. You don't assume any malicious intent on the part of the reviewer.
But are you telling me you have never gotten a response that was completely without merit? That was just someone raging at your product, possibly over reasons or expectations that were completely unrelated?
I just don't understand how you can deny the presence of a subset of gamers who really are vocally unpleasant online. Enworld certainly is good at keeping them out, but they do crop up online, among gamers and others. In every group of people, there will be a portion that are simply jerks.
They are the ones this article is about. I don't know how many times it needs to be said - this isn't about legitimate criticism of a product. This is about people who go ahead and buy a product, and then drive others away.
Look, if some people are playing in a game store, and while they are having a good old time, someone walks over and starts mocking them for playing a game he doesn't like, or insists on standing next to the DM pointing out everything he is doing wrong and explaining why his game of choice is so terrible, odds are high those gamers at the table won't have any fun.
And when they walk out and stop visiting the store, the owner is going to be upset at the one guy who is left - even if he keeps purchasing stuff from him every week.
On the internet, there are lots of people like that one guy, and they can band together. And we get the same exact sort of behavior, and thus it makes the gaming crowd as a whole all the more unappealing to outside interests.
Or so the argument goes. Whether true or not, that's the claim being made - that some gamers are jerks, and are ruining it for the rest of us. Trying to distort that into saying that gamers should accept subpar quality products, or should shut up and be happy with whatever they are offered, just seems like a willful misreading of the point.
Wednesday, 23rd June, 2010, 07:01 PM #233
Greater Elemental (Lvl 23)
If this article was on a site like ENWorld (a site specifically about the RPG industry, read by people who understand the industry), then yes, making criticisms about 4Es mechanics would be understandable and not a big deal to those of us reading it. But when its out there in the world at large? That nitpicky, fanboy, Comic Book Guy attitude does nothing more than potentially alienate the outside people who have no idea what the complaints are actually about, but they just know that it must suck enough to cause complaints in the first place. And thus people who might have gone to Wikipedia or Google to learn a little bit more about this if it seemed like this game had excited followers and commenters... instead doesn't bother. And that's why the "vocal minority" can cause more harm than good.
Wednesday, 23rd June, 2010, 07:05 PM #234
Spellbinder (Lvl 16)
By the time people get to the clarification they've already gone on the defensive and are apt to gloss over that he's talking about a certain subset. I was more highlighting that the post comes across as incendiary because it starts off with a wide target before being narrowed down a bit, which at that point I suspect folks are already seeing red.
But you're right, by the mid-point/end he is talking about a subset of gamers - the article just doesn't start off that way very well in my opinion. He should have been more clear up front.
Wednesday, 23rd June, 2010, 07:05 PM #235
The Great Druid (Lvl 17)
I only wish controversy would stir up interest in my game.
I just don't understand how you can deny the presence of a subset of gamers who really are vocally unpleasant online.
And, I used to be partial owner of a comic book store -- I know that some customers are not worth the effort. They want too much, in one way or another, for what you are getting back.
But, here's the thing. That jerks exist doesn't colour my view of all gamers, or of all comic readers. And I know that I pissed some folks off with policies that said, in effect, we wouldn't cater to jerks. I'm sure some folks complained. I bet someone might even have blogged.
I can no more cause the sun to stop shining that I can prevent such behaviour, and I have no intention of wasting my time trying to do so.
Pick a percentage: 5%, 10%, 15%. No matter what percentage of people you think are jerks, it is your fault if you don't take that into account when you set up shop. No one else's.
Wednesday, 23rd June, 2010, 07:06 PM #236
Waghalter (Lvl 7)
I propose a test of the jerkiness level of gamers online vs. other hobbyists. I think a comparison of admin actions on this forum compared to other non-gaming forums would provide a fruitful comparison. Are people banned more frequently here? Are threads locked more often here because of jerky behavior? Anyone have any experience in this area?
Anecdotally, an individual investor forum I once followed had similar rules (grandma-friendly) but rarely had banning except for spam.
Wednesday, 23rd June, 2010, 07:07 PM #237
Scout (Lvl 6)
Wednesday, 23rd June, 2010, 07:12 PM #238
The Great Druid (Lvl 17)
That is, after all, a rather standard practice these days. Companies send out press releases to news agencies, which are disguised as news items, and they get used as filler because, frankly, it is cost effective to do so.
Now, I am not going to get into whether or not WotC or 4e are good for "the industry" in the short term or the long term. What I am going to do is suggest that no one is under any obligation to prop up either "the industry" or WotC. No one is under any obligation to see an ad pretending to be news and help it reach its advertising objective.
Nor did they tear "the industry" down; they had complaints about 4e.
Nor is "the industry" the hobby.
Wednesday, 23rd June, 2010, 07:23 PM #239
Magsman (Lvl 14)
Wednesday, 23rd June, 2010, 07:33 PM #240
Magsman (Lvl 14)
I don't go out of my way to bash Brittney Spears every time an article pops up. Every time you mention RCFRP I don't spew bile against it because it's not my game of choice.
And to ignore the fact that comments like these could drive a potential new gamer away is sticking your head in the sand. And you said up thread that new players helps grow the hobby. So is driving a potential new player away damaging the hobby or not. You can't have it both ways.
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