LEB Discussion Thread '10 Pt 2

raion · Nov 8, 2010

Walking Dad said:
Which is the 'classic' druid? 2e? He got shapeshifting here, it was only even less defined than in 3.x.

The 3.x druid was a very capable class and a great controller and striker. Where did you find him lacking vs. the 'pure whatever'?

Base 3.0, and to a degree 3.5, was similar to the 2e druid, and I played several that I enjoyed thoroughly, but the flavor in supplements started to spin towards shapeshifting, leaving the original idea by the wayside.. when you can turn into an aardvark and kill gods, who cares why you're doing it? 4e druid was the logical progression.. the horrible logical progression. Not a druid so much as an angry shapeshifter with a nature theme.

I won't say anything bad about the 4e (or even the later 3.x versions of) druid as a class, but I didn't agree with keeping the name and trashing most of the rest. Hence my relief at finally seeing a 4e version of Druid as Druid, instead of Druid as traditional Berserker with a touch of traditional shaman.

Walking Dad · Nov 8, 2010

So, you see the 2e and beginning 3e Druid as a leader class with a pet? Ok, got it.

I saw it as a nature priest with shapeshifting who had a flavor pet.

Different experiences, but both valid.

I just wished they had kept the possibility for shapeshifting... but this will surely be 'patched' soon in the Class Compendium line.

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In other news:

Shades were confirmed as new race in Heroes of Shadow (in the this month Starlock Dragoon section).

renau1g · Nov 8, 2010

I saw the 2e druid as one with sucky restrictions because you could only level so high and then you needed to defeat the Grand Druid (or whatever they were called) to advance in levels. Stupid to me as the PC would either need to leave the group and have a solo adventure or drag everyone from whatever they were doing to go take care of his problems to level up while all the thief had to do was find gold

CaBaNa · Nov 8, 2010

[MENTION=54810]renau1g[/MENTION], 20 character limit... wtf is that?

(talking about the online CB for those who don't know.)

I'm letting my subscription lapse, they'll need to show some real value for me to pay for something I don't get to keep. It's not just the CB thing, but that plays a large role in the decision.

renau1g · Nov 8, 2010

Hmmm well they claim it's to prevent DDOS (I think denial of service?) attacks on their servers, but many users have shown that doesn't hold water as it would take days of a constant updating computer to cause such an issue with the CB and they certainly would detect it far sooner than that.

My subs up next summer and they'll definitely need to have at least the campaign management tools, an actual working Monster builder (which correctly has monster stats according to their errata, which the current one doesn't), the CB updates caught up, and some sort of Encounter Builder. If they have the VTT...well I'll take back all the negative things I said about WotC

Oh, BTW New Vegas rocks so hard. Way better IMO than Fallout 3. Washington was cool, but Vegas baby!

stonegod · Nov 8, 2010

FNV is great. They got the ending right (actually told you the effect of many of your actions, as opposed to F3). However, it freezes often enough to be annoying. It'd be great otherwise; now its just groovy.

CaBaNa · Nov 8, 2010

ha ha ha, aaah... VTT, good one.

Yeah I'd have to send a written apology to WOTC if that happened...

@stonegod, FNV does have a large number of small glitches and freeze points. Luckily I haven't run into anything game-breaking yet. The 100 save limit was sad, as I like to save before crucial moments and revisit them later. In Fallout 3, my favorite save wasn't even part of my characters actual story. Made a safety save, then went and blew up Megaton, reverted to the safety, and finished the game having never done it. But when friends come over, I get to show them the Nuke.

EDIT: Apparently I don't like limits in general...

Luinnar · Nov 18, 2010

Did LEB have a expertise rule discussion/proposal like L4W did? Staff expertise looks very fun for a sentinel druid

Edit: Nevermind, looks like you did. No proposal was but in place, right?

KarinsDad · Nov 18, 2010

Luinnar said:
Did LEB have a expertise rule discussion/proposal like L4W did? Staff expertise looks very fun for a sentinel druid

Edit: Nevermind, looks like you did. No proposal was but in place, right?

Yes, that got mired down in discussion with no real good solutions proposed. So for now, the rules haven't changed. The only reasonable solution at this point might be to change the LEB bonus to a feat bonus and be done with it. Course, that will prevent some other feats from even being ussable at all, but shrug...

KarinsDad · Nov 18, 2010

Just FYI.

I am letting my DDI subscription expire due to the new Character Builder mess. I should be able to review PCs for quite some time, but there will be a point in time where my version of CB is way out of date and it will be too difficult to look every obscure little game element up in the errata.

So at some point, probably about 6 months from now or so, I won't be able to approve PCs anymore.

I actually would encourage many people to let their DDI subscriptions expire in order to get WotC to stop screwing with their customer base, but that's a personal decision for everyone.