Converting original D&D and Mystara monsters

Cleon · Mar 21, 2012

Mortis said:
P.S. Lets hope that there is never an offical 4E version of the tortle - given that over the previous editions its HD have halved with each new edition (4HD in BXCMI -> 2 in 2E -> 1 in 3E).

Oh, and by the way, Secodnd Edition AD&D has both 4 HD Tortles (Mystara MC) and 2 HD Tortles (Savage Coast MC).

Shade · Mar 22, 2012

Cleon said:
Alternatively, if you really want a LA +0 version, we could split them into two creature like we did with the 3 HD Gurrash "Lizard Man" and the 7 HD Gurrash "Gator Man".

Then we might both be happy.

No. In this instance, I'd be happier to just pretend the Dragon Magazine version doesn't exist, and just create our snapper in a vacuum.

Cleon · Mar 23, 2012

Shade said:
No. In this instance, I'd be happier to just pretend the Dragon Magazine version doesn't exist, and just create our snapper in a vacuum.

I'll just proceed with the current 3 Hit Dice version then!

freyar · Mar 26, 2012

Agreed. I like this

Attack: Bite +4 melee (1d8+2) or [lance?] +4 melee (1d8+3/×3) or [heavy crossbow?] +0 ranged (1d10/19-20) or net +0 ranged (special)
Full Attack: Bite +4 melee (1d8+2) and 2 claws +2 melee (1d4+1); or [lance?] +4 melee (1d8+3/×3) and bite +2 melee (1d8+1); or [heavy crossbow?] +0 ranged (1d10/19-20); or net +0 ranged (special)

I'm not as sure about Multiattack, though. Leaving it off would encourage weapon use and free up a feat.

Cleon · Mar 27, 2012

freyar said:
Agreed. I like this

I'm not as sure about Multiattack, though. Leaving it off would encourage weapon use and free up a feat.

Snappers don't seem to use artificial weapons in melee as much as Tortles do, so I prefer keeping Multiattack to make that viable (but just not a lot more viable than going weapon+bite.

If you don't want it to use up a feat, we could always make Multiattack a bonus feat!

Updating Working Draft.

Mortis · Mar 28, 2012

Shade said:
No. In this instance, I'd be happier to just pretend the Dragon Magazine version doesn't exist, and just create our snapper in a vacuum.

In that case do you want to convert the tortle after the snapper?

Regards
Mortis

Mortis · Mar 28, 2012

Working Draft said:
A typical snapper stands from 6 to 7 feet tall and weighs about 500 [?] pounds.

The sources give a weight of around 1,000 pounds. The standard tortle is 500 pounds though.

Regards
Mortis

Cleon · Mar 28, 2012

Mortis said:
In that case do you want to convert the tortle after the snapper?

We shouldn't, since it already has official 3E stats.

Cleon · Mar 28, 2012

Mortis said:
The sources give a weight of around 1,000 pounds. The standard tortle is 500 pounds though.

Yes, I was aware the earlier-edition Snapper weighed half a ton. I just didn't necessarily agree with it.

I would rather have it weight twice as much as the Dragon #315 version of the Tortle.

However much that is.

Shade · Apr 2, 2012

Cleon said:
Yes, I was aware the earlier-edition Snapper weighed half a ton. I just didn't necessarily agree with it.

I would rather have it weight twice as much as the Dragon #315 version of the Tortle.

However much that is.

What is twice as much as "none given"? :erm: