stonegod
Spawn of Khyber/LEB Judge
The Neverwinter, DDI, and DS themes are now all in the Character Builder (only the powers are in the Compendium).
Proposal/Discussion Allow Themes
twilsemail
First Post
True, but most of the ones that are imbalanced are underpowered instead of over-powered. Do any, in particular, stand out as over-powered to you? I tend to avoid CharOp so I've not seen what's on the top of the charts at the moment.
I'd be more than willing to, on my own or as part of a group, work on a number of themes for L4W if it would open the option to the community. I like more options in combat (though I don't think the new feats provide those as much) and I like more support for a concept.
Perhaps something like the following?:
Proposal: Allow themes as presented in Dragon 399 when at least 5 custom themes have been accepted by the L4W judges.
I'd be more than willing to, on my own or as part of a group, work on a number of themes for L4W if it would open the option to the community. I like more options in combat (though I don't think the new feats provide those as much) and I like more support for a concept.
Perhaps something like the following?:
Proposal: Allow themes as presented in Dragon 399 when at least 5 custom themes have been accepted by the L4W judges.
ScorpiusRisk
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New opinion. At the end of the day, the two extra abilities that the new dragon styled themes offer are relatively minor. I prefer the old Dark Sun Style themes but obviously Wizards of the Coast disagrees with me. I think as long as there are some viable options for non DDI players we should allow all themes. If we see one or two options that will melt our face, we can ban them individually.
It's easy to optimize without themes, and themes are becoming a major source of new, flavorful content, that allows hybrid-like, complex character without potentially poor mechanics. Especially in play by post, where players have time to really consider there actions and can "memorize" all their teamates options, themes will not be the thing that breaks the game. In addition, since its PbP, DMs have even more time to respond and "improvise" should something need to become more challenging.
I know in a previous discussion I offered to write some themes specific to L4W, and I will have to table that offer at the moment, as I am currently writing a book (I was not doing this before).
It's easy to optimize without themes, and themes are becoming a major source of new, flavorful content, that allows hybrid-like, complex character without potentially poor mechanics. Especially in play by post, where players have time to really consider there actions and can "memorize" all their teamates options, themes will not be the thing that breaks the game. In addition, since its PbP, DMs have even more time to respond and "improvise" should something need to become more challenging.
I know in a previous discussion I offered to write some themes specific to L4W, and I will have to table that offer at the moment, as I am currently writing a book (I was not doing this before).
twilsemail
First Post
Level 5:
Know How To Stay Out Of Trouble
+1/tier healing surge value, +2 to perception.
I think this might be better represented with either a bonus to initiative or a +1 bonus to all defenses in the first round of combat.
A bonus to surges mostly means you'll survive a fight, not avoid it.
Other than that, these look alright to me. I might make the Samurai level 10 feature a power bonus, though.
Know How To Stay Out Of Trouble
+1/tier healing surge value, +2 to perception.
I think this might be better represented with either a bonus to initiative or a +1 bonus to all defenses in the first round of combat.
A bonus to surges mostly means you'll survive a fight, not avoid it.
Other than that, these look alright to me. I might make the Samurai level 10 feature a power bonus, though.
TwoHeadsBarking
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I agree that there should be a theme for people without DDI subscriptions, and I guess it would be nice if there were a choice of themes for them as well. However, I don't think that official themes and custom themes should be in the same proposal, because it is really going to slow things down.
It doesn't make sense to have official themes be delayed while we attempt to create and balance a number of custom themes. Should all themes ever be held up because I think the level 1 power on CaBaNa's Ex-Guard theme is a little too good, or because there's disagreement whether Know How To Stay Out Of Trouble should give a bonus to initiative or perception? No. That's a little silly. What we should do is approve (or disapprove) themes in general now, and then look at more custom themes as people submit them.
So yes to Luinnar's proposal here, which allows non-DS themes and twilsemail's Adventurer theme.
It doesn't make sense to have official themes be delayed while we attempt to create and balance a number of custom themes. Should all themes ever be held up because I think the level 1 power on CaBaNa's Ex-Guard theme is a little too good, or because there's disagreement whether Know How To Stay Out Of Trouble should give a bonus to initiative or perception? No. That's a little silly. What we should do is approve (or disapprove) themes in general now, and then look at more custom themes as people submit them.
So yes to Luinnar's proposal here, which allows non-DS themes and twilsemail's Adventurer theme.
renau1g
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