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Monday, 30th January, 2012, 04:14 PM #131
IMO, the "courage" stat should be Constitution, which I believe should be reinterpreted to any quality that gives a character staying power and endurance. This can come from physical vitality, zeal, drive, or whatever.
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Monday, 30th January, 2012, 04:25 PM #132
However, from a DM's point of view it's nice since the burden of remembering a thousand fiddly bonuses is on the player.
Having a potentially infinite list of 'skills' was one of my major dislikes in 'The Burning Wheel'.
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Monday, 30th January, 2012, 04:27 PM #133
Enchanter (Lvl 12)
Ultimately, I believe the "rolled stats" issue is a red herring: They've already mentioned they will have non-rolled modules for point buy and this issue has been a solved problem since 3.x that I don't see them regressing on.
Monday, 30th January, 2012, 04:42 PM #134
Superhero (Lvl 15)
I also have to admit I feel myself get a little dumber every time I read a phrase like "deal-breaker" or "die in a fire". I like to think that roleplayers have better vocabulary than the comment section of the average blog. Disappointing.
Monday, 30th January, 2012, 04:50 PM #135
Gallant (Lvl 3)
Monday, 30th January, 2012, 05:00 PM #136
An example how this could work: Finding a hidden treasure could have an Intelligence DC of 15. The Wizard with Int 17 wouldn't have to roll to find it. The cleric with Int 13 could be allowed to roll for finding it (rolling a d20 and adding his Int modifier of +1 against a DC of 15). Anyone below Int 10 would not be allowed to roll but could find the treasure regardless by clever roleplaying.
Monday, 30th January, 2012, 05:04 PM #137
Enchanter (Lvl 12)
I'm all for a always-on "take 10/passive" sort of mechanic with occasional option to roll. Certainly would speed up PbP (which is why I've adopted it here).
Monday, 30th January, 2012, 05:08 PM #138
The Grand Druid (Lvl 20)
Honestly, if you can't imagine yourself being a strong halfling, then you shouldn't play a strong halfling!
The problem with ability penalties is they are PROscriptive. They tell me what I cannot do with this game. Oh, maybe they're a bit lower key about it than "halflings can only be level 4 fighters and never wizards" but as soon as you tell someone they're not supposed to do something that's just a buzzkill.
Ability bonuses OTOH are PREscriptive. They tell me "hey, its extra cool to be an elf wizard" and I liked the way in 4e you got to be able to have an otherwise unachievable ability score if you had the +2 bonus. I want to be able to play my halfling wizard and be able to be good at it. On top of that I'm rewarded by being a dexterous halfling wizard. I can thus get a reward for paying attention to the halfling archetype but still be a unique halfling. After all, I'm an adventurer, not a gardener.
Monday, 30th January, 2012, 05:31 PM #139
Novice (Lvl 1)
I really dislike the idea of yet another implementation of a skills system, as of course it helps break the crunch from previous versions. But I guess there is enough issues with the current systems... too simplistic (4E, or at least for me), and too open-ended (3E). One which really just is a frustrating mess, the other is way too open-ended with DCs that don't have the same progression across all skills (i.e. Minor, Easy, Moderate, Hard, Very Hard, Heroic, etc).
I suppose the idea of flipping around and apply skills to abilities when you try and do something can get away from both of those. As long the skills can be fairly fine-grained i.e. instead of "nature" skill, you break it down into different skills such as knowledge, survival, etc. but not to the level of 3E where you had to take both spot and listen, or hide and move silently.
But really if they are going to re-implement the skills system, I'd much rather see it, combat, and magic all rolled into one instead of three different checks. So if I'm trying to attack with my sword, I roll an attack skill that maybe I get a bonus because I have proficiency sword. If I want to cast, I roll the casting or magic skill, etc. Or I suppose in the parlance of the article, I'd roll an ability that is modified by the appropriate skills.
Charisma as a basis for fear saves, really? What dictionary are they using for the definition of words, not the one I am using. Just because the designers try and make every ability useful, doesn't mean it should randomly apply to things just to make use of it.
That all being said, it seems the more I read the less I'm interested. Not making any true judgement until I've seen something actually in writing to putz around with, but I question the wisdom of all these optional "modules". As a "brand", there has to be a core "D&D" experience; what is that? It seems to be getting lost in all the talk about needing to support every Tom, Dick and Harry's vision of the game.
Monday, 30th January, 2012, 06:14 PM #140
Guide (Lvl 11)
I am getting the impression that people are taking the transcript and extrapolating some specific rules and assuming that these rules will be RAW when they haven't even presented any specifics. Most of what I read were the ideas and thoughts about the the direction of the game, and yes, they have some bare bones rules they are working with, but can we pause and remember that they are likely a full year away from specifics?
The rules are still going to go through the feedback cycle of the open playtest. It is entirely possible that things like roll for Abilities as default might change to being the option instead. It is also possible that they still might have some skills or more likely a skills module for those that want them.
I can't understand why some are flat out saying that this is gonna suck and they'll never play it when they haven't even seen the rules that haven't even been finished yet...
EDIT to my commenters: I understand this is nothing new... but I do think someone should point it out once in a while.
Last edited by catsclaw227; Tuesday, 31st January, 2012 at 06:01 AM.
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