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Thursday, 26th April, 2012, 03:59 PM #191
The Great Druid (Lvl 17)
As for the fallout from this whole debacle, I am left to conclude that this thread, sadly, typifies the emotional context surrounding 5e going forward. Any hope of burying the hatchet and "uniting fans" now appears to be undone at a stroke. The past four years of edition warring now promises to be merely the analog to WW I, with WWII in the offing.
I don't have a clue what lead to this, but it seems extremely unlikely that the damage done to the 5e brand will be worth it.
To borrow a phrase from Tywin Lannister: Madness; Madness and stupidity.
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Thursday, 26th April, 2012, 04:09 PM #192
Minor Trickster (Lvl 4)
/bad sarcasm off
Thursday, 26th April, 2012, 04:17 PM #193
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Thursday, 26th April, 2012, 04:26 PM #194
Grandfather of Assassins (Lvl 19)
I'll be curious to see if this opens up the door for either Wyatt or Perkins to move over from their 4E creative work to join the 5E design team.
Although based upon history... both of them also seem to be the current 'veterans' of the company that could be targets of the next series of WotC layoffs.
It'll be interesting to see what James and Chris end up doing.
Thursday, 26th April, 2012, 04:32 PM #195
Minor Trickster (Lvl 4)
Pathfinder), I'm not seeing anyone on the design team who will be a champion of my preferred version of the game. I'm not suggesting that nobody on the team is willing to incorporate features from 3.x. Rather, now there's nobody on the team who will be running feedback through a 3.x perspective in the first instance. That's a huge loss for the project, because if the 3.x players don't come back, this new edition will not be the commercial success I believe Hasbro demands.
You rightly state that most players got over Cook being involved in the project in the first place. However, there's a major difference between one member of a three-person team being someone whose views you disagree with, and not having anyone on the team at all who will fight for the preferences of a large segment of the potential market. One voice among many vs. no voice at all isn't really comparing apples to apples.
And even though I'm a Pathfinder player, I do genuinely want 5e to be a resounding success. D&D has been and remains the gateway to the hobby for the vast majority of people, and the game most non-gamers think of when roleplaying is mentioned. A strong D&D means a strong RPG hobby not just for WotC but for Paizo and White Wolf and Chaosium and Hero and Palladium and for countless indie companies. A strong D&D is good for every roleplayer, even ones who never play D&D at all. Cook leaving issues a critical wound to the prospects of a strong D&D going forward, and that's a bad thing for everyone.
Thursday, 26th April, 2012, 04:33 PM #196
Defender (Lvl 8)
Heck, as I typed this someone suggested another 4e person join the team.
SOMEONE is needed that those of us that disliked 4e and most everything it brought to the table, could trust to see our side of things. Someone is needed to keep the 4e team from patting each other on the back and giving us more of the same. Someone is needed to make sure that they are constantly reminded WHY 5e is needed so quickly.
That someone doesn't have to be Monte Cook, but I felt a lot *expletive deleted*ing better when it was.
Thursday, 26th April, 2012, 04:36 PM #197
Lama (Lvl 13)
Yeah, at least we got one good thing out of it. A date. How bad it is just 1 week after d3 realease... so most probably, noone will actually have time to playtest.
So back to topic: sorry to hear someone leaving a big project. However I honestly believe, the team under mike mearls will build a great game. And I guess, Monte has already done a great job. We really don┤t know what his issues were... why just don┤t wait for a month and see what the game those people produced is like?
Thursday, 26th April, 2012, 04:57 PM #198
Enchanter (Lvl 12)
Thursday, 26th April, 2012, 04:59 PM #199
I doubt that the playtesting is going to be as open and inclusive as we were first led to believe. It seems only a handful of people plus some more that went to cons have got to playtest 5E so far. So unless the next round of playtesting doesn't make the testers sign NDAs, most of us will still be just as in the dark a month from now as we are now.
Don't like 4E? No sig for you here.
Thursday, 26th April, 2012, 05:00 PM #200
Magsman (Lvl 14)
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