D&D 4th Edition [Retired Proposal]: Allow one exception to the overhaul rules of no class changing.





+ Log in or register to post
Results 1 to 8 of 8
  1. #1
    Registered User
    Guide (Lvl 11)

    Someone's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Porcˇpolis
    Posts
    6,537

    ° Ignore Someone

    [Retired Proposal]: Allow one exception to the overhaul rules of no class changing.

    This proposal is retired.

    Spoiler:
    TL;DR: Allow an exception to the current character overhaul rules to allow Prime to change class from Fighter to hybrid Fighter|Battlemind

    Justification: The character overhaul option allows a one time modification of a given character’s mechanics so it can be altered beyond what the rules of retraining allow, but keeping the PC’s basic premise. Changing class would work against this idea, as classes are tight archetypes with clearly defined bounds and mechanics and changing a PC from Wizard to Rogue, for example, would end in a completely different thing no matter how hard the player tries.

    Prime (sheet here) is a slightly reskinned Warforged Fighter built around the idea of extreme toughness, enemy disruption and protection. It does a good job as Fighter, but recently I realized it could do better as a hybrid. This is how the modified Prime would look like:

    Spoiler:

    Prime, level 7
    Warforged, Battlemind|Fighter
    Psionic Augmentation (Hybrid): Hybrid Power Point Option
    Hybrid Talent: Fighter Combat Talent
    Fighter Combat Talent: Battlerager Vigor (Hybrid)
    Theme: Guardian
    Background: Early Life - Isolated (Perception class skill)

    FINAL ABILITY SCORES
    Str 19, Con 19, Dex 12, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 8.

    STARTING ABILITY SCORES
    Str 16, Con 16, Dex 12, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 8.


    AC: 26 Fort: 19 Reflex: 17 Will: 18
    HP: 70 Surges: 13 Surge Value: 17

    TRAINED SKILLS
    Perception +12, Athletics +8, Endurance +10

    UNTRAINED SKILLS
    Acrobatics, Arcana +3, Bluff +2, Diplomacy +2, Dungeoneering +5, Heal +5, History +3, Insight +7, Intimidate +4, Nature +5, Religion +3, Stealth, Streetwise +2, Thievery

    FEATS
    Level 1: Armor Proficiency: Plate
    Level 2: Shield Push
    Level 4: Warforged Tactics
    Level 6: Hybrid Talent
    Feat User Choice: Bludgeon Expertise

    POWERS
    Hybrid at-will 1: Crushing Surge
    Hybrid at-will 1: Bull's Strength
    Hybrid Power Point Option: Shield Edge Block
    Psionic Defense (Hybrid): Blurred Step
    Hybrid daily 1: Living Fortress
    Hybrid utility 2: Endure Pain
    Hybrid daily 5: Rain of Steel
    Hybrid utility 6: Unbreakable
    Hybrid at-will/encounter 7: Lightning Rush

    ITEMS
    Knockback Warhammer +1, Heavy Shield, Adamantine Plating Layered Plate Armor +2, Amulet of Life +1, Iron Armbands of Power (heroic tier), Boots of the Fencing Master (heroic tier), Moradin's Blessing of Iron (level 8)


    It continues being a warforged and a defender, it’s tougher and defends allies by redirecting attacks to himself as previously. He keeps pushing people around, has many of the signature abilities he had and even keeps the same ability scores and theme. Therefore, the central idea of the overhaul’s rules of improving a character’s mechanics while keeping it’s core is preserved even though Prime changes half his class.

    Other options: The usual option in this case is to recreate the character with the retirement rules. I find it unacceptable in this case not only because it would mean a large drop in experience points but because the loss of continuity with the old Prime, as it has to be a new character and would feel too disconnected.
    Last edited by Someone; Sunday, 27th May, 2012 at 09:59 AM.

 

  • #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Someone View Post
    Other options: The usual option in this case is to recreate the character with the retirement rules. I find it unacceptable in this case not only because it would mean a large drop in experience points but because the loss of continuity with the old Prime, as it has to be a new character and would feel too disconnected.
    Actually it could still be Prime, just with a different character sheet:

    It is permitted to recreate the "same" character with different mechanics, in order to change the character in ways beyond what the one-time overhaul allows. (For instance, turning a wizard into a sorceror, or an orc into a half-orc.) This can be accompanied by an explanation in-game (such as revealing that the orc has a hidden human parent) or considered a ret-con (such as declaring that the wizard was always a sorceror, and building him as a wizard in the first place was a mistake).
    I created my dragoborn fighter around your level, I had enough magic items and everything. I can give you 2 of my DM credits if you want to level him to 7 before you retire him if it is OK with @dimsdale
    My PBP characters: http://tinyurl.com/yy9skz2

  • #3
    In my opinion, there's no need to have general rules for everything people might want to do. If you want to change class, just make a proposal "let Prime change class". It's been done before.

    The judge's don't have to think about possible consequences nearly as hard for a one-time ruling like that as they do for a new rule that people could use in the future.

  • #4
    Registered User
    Guide (Lvl 11)

    Someone's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Porcˇpolis
    Posts
    6,537

    ° Ignore Someone
    Quote Originally Posted by JoeNotCharles View Post
    In my opinion, there's no need to have general rules for everything people might want to do. If you want to change class, just make a proposal "let Prime change class". It's been done before.

    The judge's don't have to think about possible consequences nearly as hard for a one-time ruling like that as they do for a new rule that people could use in the future.
    Looks like I was less clear that I intended. The "one exception" in the thread title is talking about allowing only Prime to change class, is not intended to change the current ruling at all.

  • #5
    Registered User
    Waghalter (Lvl 7)

    CaBaNa's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    3,064

    ° Ignore CaBaNa
    Kamotz used the retirement option as well, nice of Luinnar to offer the exp to lessen the pain.
    MAGIC!

  • #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Someone View Post
    Looks like I was less clear that I intended. The "one exception" in the thread title is talking about allowing only Prime to change class, is not intended to change the current ruling at all.
    Oh, heh. Yeah, I skimmed.

  • #7
    Registered User
    Defender (Lvl 8)

    dimsdale's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    illinois
    Posts
    3,542
    Blog Entries
    1

    ° Ignore dimsdale
    Quote Originally Posted by Luinnar View Post
    I created my dragoborn fighter around your level, I had enough magic items and everything. I can give you 2 of my DM credits if you want to level him to 7 before you retire him if it is OK with @dimsdale
    OOC: I don't mind. Go for it.
    Characters: Kruk (Lvl 11), Max (Lvl 11), Lerrick (Lvl 6)

  • #8
    Registered User
    Guide (Lvl 11)

    Someone's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Porcˇpolis
    Posts
    6,537

    ° Ignore Someone
    That's very generous of you, @Luinnar . In that case, and after leveling Prime to 8 with the two DM credits and doing some malabarisms with the starting equipment, the result is pretty much what would result from overhauling, so I'll accept the offer and retire the proposal.

  • + Log in or register to post

    Similar Threads

    1. Proposal: Kane's Overhaul
      By renau1g in forum Living 4th Edition
      Replies: 7
      Last Post: Thursday, 22nd April, 2010, 03:58 AM
    2. Proposal: Atreus D'torian's Overhaul
      By Atriden in forum Living 4th Edition
      Replies: 34
      Last Post: Friday, 23rd October, 2009, 02:29 AM
    3. Proposal: More overhaul options
      By Walking Dad in forum Living 4th Edition
      Replies: 4
      Last Post: Wednesday, 21st October, 2009, 04:54 PM
    4. Proposal - Siblyx (Murphy Tang)'s Overhaul
      By renau1g in forum Living 4th Edition
      Replies: 14
      Last Post: Saturday, 17th October, 2009, 05:13 PM
    5. Proposal: Finnian's Overhaul
      By weldon in forum Living 4th Edition
      Replies: 12
      Last Post: Wednesday, 7th October, 2009, 02:29 PM

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •